Eldron Posted August 6, 2020 Share The difference is that Jakobsen drifts right feels the rider to his right and then straightens and moves slightly left giving the rider space. Groenie slammed Jakobsen straight into the barrier with no quarter given.In many of these cases the severity of the sanction is determined by the outcome.in this case it is very very bad That is one interpretation. Another could be: Jakobsen shoulder barges Bauhaus to his left then switches Sarreau mercilessly to stay on Groenewagen's wheel. Either way only they will know what they "felt" and what their intent was. One "drift" caused Sarreau to lose the sprint - one "deviation" sent Jakobsen to hospital. Could easily have been the other way around if Groenewagen "felt" Jakobsen on his right. Either way - we're debating scraps here. We both agree that Groenewagen should accept whatever penalty is heading his way. I just don't think it is as binary as: Groenwagen evil - Jakobsen innocent victim. DieselnDust and Wayne pudding Mol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted August 6, 2020 Share I dunno how much of this is intentional.i'm not sure if the riders do either, we're watching slowmos and they are going on instinct tired and pumping with adrenalin. Jakobsen could always have passed on the left too, but i guess he could see the gap on the right before it closed. Sometimes contact bewteen 2 riders helps them both stay upright sometimes often not when a barrier is involved Wayne pudding Mol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted August 6, 2020 Share That is one interpretation. Another could be: Jakobsen shoulder barges Bauhaus to his left then switches Sarreau mercilessly to stay on Groenewagen's wheel. Either way only they will know what they "felt" and what their intent was. One "drift" caused Sarreau to lose the sprint - one "deviation" sent Jakobsen to hospital. Could easily have been the other way around if Groenewagen "felt" Jakobsen on his right. Either way - we're debating scraps here. We both agree that Groenewagen should accept whatever penalty is heading his way. I just don't think it is as binary as: Groenwagen evil - Jakobsen innocent victim. No certainly not. Life isn't that binary. I'm sure there as no intent to cause harm or injury but there was certainly intent to block. OS that alone deserves a sanction. The result is highly unfortunate and could result in further action being taken despite no intent to cause harm. Eldron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted August 6, 2020 Share No certainly not. Life isn't that binary. I'm sure there as no intent to cause harm or injury but there was certainly intent to block. OS that alone deserves a sanction. The result is highly unfortunate and could result in further action being taken despite no intent to cause harm. Maybe we should tell Lefevere that - he was asking for jail time! Evenpoel asked for a life time ban. Emotions were running high straight after the incident! Hopefully everyone calms down and the UCI do their thing soon. Wayne pudding Mol, Gen, DieselnDust and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted August 6, 2020 Share Maybe we should tell Lefevere that - he was asking for jail time! Evenpoel asked for a life time ban. Emotions were running high straight after the incident! Hopefully everyone calms down and the UCI do their thing soon. let hope they learned from the Sagan/Cavendish incident not to overreact ad to look at all the facts not just those presented by the wronged parties Eldron and Vetplant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted August 6, 2020 Share Maybe we should tell Lefevere that - he was asking for jail time! Evenpoel asked for a life time ban. Emotions were running high straight after the incident! Hopefully everyone calms down and the UCI do their thing soon.They really need to put regulations in place so that we never see barriers fail like that again.. it will go a long way in reducing serious injury. For now lets just hope the Jakobsen makes a full recovery. Vetplant, EddieV, Wayne pudding Mol and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zama7 Posted August 6, 2020 Share https://people.com/sports/cyclist-fabio-jakobsen-in-coma-after-crash-tour-de-pologne/ Warning video is disturbing, not sure what the hell Groenewegen was thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted August 6, 2020 Share They really need to put regulations in place so that we never see barriers fail like that again.. it will go a long way in reducing serious injury. For now lets just hope the Jakobsen makes a full recovery. This! If only one thing comes out of this make it batter barriers! The TdF barriers overlap so Cav kinda rolled down. In Pologne one got knocked out the way and Jakobsen smashed into the next one. It was sickening. Dirt Tracker, Gen, jimmycool and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil6 Posted August 6, 2020 Share From what I can see, he closed the gap and did nothing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted August 6, 2020 Share From what I can see, he closed the gap and did nothing wrong? Oh dear.... DieselnDust, The Ghost, Wayne pudding Mol and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted August 6, 2020 Share Oh dear....This is what I was talking about! (shakes head) See? I'm not crazy hahaha Edited August 6, 2020 by Jewbacca DieselnDust, Wayne pudding Mol and Eldron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted August 6, 2020 Share From what I can see, he closed the gap and did nothing wrong? Go and read some comments here: https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/186430-tour-de-pologne/ Especially the part that outlines the deviation rule in sprinting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted August 6, 2020 Share They really need to put regulations in place so that we never see barriers fail like that again.. it will go a long way in reducing serious injury. For now lets just hope the Jakobsen makes a full recovery.Absolutely. But there are two things here. The barrier and Groenies actions. Both need to be addressed. Gen, Wayne pudding Mol, Dirt Tracker and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Tracker Posted August 6, 2020 Share let hope they learned from the Sagan/Cavendish incident not to overreact ad to look at all the facts not just those presented by the wronged parties But we all know Sagan was wilfully trying to get rid of the Manx man and stuck his elbow out on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Posted August 6, 2020 Share Absolutely. But there are two things here. The barrier and Groenies actions. Both need to be addressed.Oh absolutely. Eldron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted August 6, 2020 Share Exactly this - UCI condemning in the strongest possible terms but the name Groenewagen could have been swapped for Jakobsen if he had moved another 10cm right and Sarreau hadn't been so alert. That said - do we really want sterile sprints where they draw lines on the road and there is safe distance between each rider? I'm pretty pleased I'm not the one charged with sorting this out!maybe just a line drawn a certain distance away that defines where no substantial deviation from your sprint line starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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