DR ◣◢ Posted December 24, 2020 Share I do and always will do so. I can only afford Sh!tmano and it grates me that I can't afford better but so be it. Road is much better than MTB though. Same here. My wallet only allowed XTR this December. AXS would have been nice. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted December 25, 2020 Share People referring to full suspension as softails.My pet peeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolver Posted December 25, 2020 Share And only a cyclist knows what a “bomb” is. Without causing a bloody panic....Also think this may be a South African thing.... recently in California bicycle shop I asked for a bomb and it was met with a scared look and an awkward silence from the sales person! Apparently it's a CO2 cannister Edited December 25, 2020 by wolver WrightJnr, TheoG and LBKloppers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Bru Posted December 25, 2020 Share Few years back a friend was a distributor for fresh ground coffee .... and so it happened that we made a pot of coffee on the camp fire. I thought he was getting a hart attack when I asked for milk ..... apparently it borders on blasphemy to add milk to "real coffee" .... silly me .... Every so often I will put a pot of coffee on the coals .... purely for the aroma of the coffee. I LOVE the aroma of nice coffee .... but dont like the bitter taste of very strong coffee .... In most cases, if coffee is bitter, it's because it's over extracted, which is not the same as being stronger and is actually the result of it being made incorrectly. Many people are under the impression that leaving 6 month old house-of-coffee pre ground ""coffee"" in a french press for 20 minutes is the recipe for strong coffee, but old beans and long extractions times don't make it any stronger, just more bitter. If things have been made properly, each shot of espresso will be the same strength, and you change the strength of your cup by varying the ratio of espresso shots, hot water, milk and cream. I know this isn't the coffee thread, but I feel like saying strong coffee is bitter is borderline relevant to the OP TheoG, mikkelz, ChrisF and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Bru Posted December 25, 2020 Share Referring to washing your bike and lubing your chain as a minor service and charging you R400.... TheoG, Underachiever and mikkelz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Boss Posted December 25, 2020 Share Referring to washing your bike and lubing your chain as a minor service and charging you R400.... This probably belongs in the other thread about bike shop service costs - but, look at it anothet way. A minor service is basically just that - and maybe adjusting chain tension just a little - but, a proper clean, like the bike shop does, and then doing a quick check of the indexing etc and applying lube - will take half an hour to 45 minutes to do properly. maybe closer to an hour if the indexing is a bit fiddly and it needs one or two test rides before its just right. Now, in your day job, what do you - or your boss - charge for your service per hour? In pretty much any mid to upper LSM type job (where most of this forums members fall), it will be double that, at the the very least. So essentially, when you look at the time cost, you are saving yourself at least R400 by letting the shop do this for you, freeing up your time to do what you get paid to do. On the other hand, since it is really that simple, instead of complaining about the cost of a "minor service" you could just do it yourself, on the weekend, during your off time - and it would cost you nothing. but also, if you are the kind of person taking your bike to the shop for a minor service (and there is nothing wrong with being that sort of person - it takes all kinds), you probably wouldnt notice things that an experienced mechanic would - and could point out to you, to plan and budget into your maintenance schedule. That experience and knowledge comes at a cost too MrJacques and Hairy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR ◣◢ Posted December 25, 2020 Share This probably belongs in the other thread about bike shop service costs - but, look at it anothet way. A minor service is basically just that - and maybe adjusting chain tension just a little - but, a proper clean, like the bike shop does, and then doing a quick check of the indexing etc and applying lube - will take half an hour to 45 minutes to do properly. maybe closer to an hour if the indexing is a bit fiddly and it needs one or two test rides before its just right. Now, in your day job, what do you - or your boss - charge for your service per hour? In pretty much any mid to upper LSM type job (where most of this forums members fall), it will be double that, at the the very least. So essentially, when you look at the time cost, you are saving yourself at least R400 by letting the shop do this for you, freeing up your time to do what you get paid to do. On the other hand, since it is really that simple, instead of complaining about the cost of a "minor service" you could just do it yourself, on the weekend, during your off time - and it would cost you nothing. but also, if you are the kind of person taking your bike to the shop for a minor service (and there is nothing wrong with being that sort of person - it takes all kinds), you probably wouldnt notice things that an experienced mechanic would - and could point out to you, to plan and budget into your maintenance schedule. That experience and knowledge comes at a cost tooWhat he is saying is calling a wash & lube a “minor service” A minor service is generally replacing cable inners, indexing of gears, setting brakes, and a full wash & lube. Some shops will top up sealant as well. As for the rest of what you’re saying... you’re right, it does belong in the other threads. MrJacques 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted December 26, 2020 Share What he is saying is calling a wash & lube a “minor service” A minor service is generally replacing cable inners, indexing of gears, setting brakes, and a full wash & lube. Some shops will top up sealant as well. As for the rest of what you’re saying... you’re right, it does belong in the other threads. Pitstop (a.k.a. thorough Wash & Lube): R250Comprehensive wash (waterless for E-Bikes) & LubeTest RideMaintenance ReportAny extra work will be charged per addition Mini (a.k.a. Minor) Service: R800 E-Bike Mini Service*: R950All Pitstop points above, plusCheck, replace, clean & set brake pads, rotors, cables, levers.Fit new brake cables and housing if required – (Road and V-Brake, excl Parts)Adjust gears – barrels, derailleur front and rear, straighten hangerFit new gear cables and housing if required (excl. Parts)Clean and lube seat post and secure saddleFit new tubes and/or tyres or add sealant or rotate tyres – if required/requested*Included in E-bike Mini-Service: Full Battery Charge Standard (a.k.a. Major) Service: R1200 E-Bike Standard Service**: R1500All Mini Service and Pitstop points above, plusRemove, clean, grease and refit headset (or replace)Remove, clean, grease and refit bottom bracket (or replace)Replace/service/lube freewheel body & bearings in hubs (if required)True wheels, tighten & lube spoke nipples, replace few spokes – minor wheel workService/replace drive train – chain, cluster, crankset, chainrings, jockey wheels if required (excl. parts)Refill tubeless tyres, fit new tubeless conversion, rim seal and valves (excl fluid & parts)Check and adjust air pressure in fork and shock (only performed with owner present)Standard Service will be charged if we have to completely strip & rebuild a Road bicycle for a Frame Repair or Frame Replacement**Included in E-bike Standard Service: Specialized Turbo, Levo & Kenevo Software update Super (a.k.a. Rebuild) Service: R1600 E-Bike Super Service***: R2000All Standard Service, Mini Service and Pitstop points above, plusLube or replace all suspension pivot bearings (cost of new bearings not incl.)Torque rear triangle and clean/lube pivots and replace rear shock bushes if requiredBleed disc brakes if required/requestedReplace hydraulic brake hoses if required/requestedSuper Service will be charged if we have to completely strip & rebuild a Mountain bicycle for a Frame Repair or Frame Replacement***Included in E-Bike Super Service: Engine covers/cranks/spider removed, cleaned out, greased & torqued (this is a common fix for creaks and squeaks on E-Bikes). Additional Services Offered not always included above:Specialised engineering or paintwork: Contractors RRP + handling fee, min 5 daysWheel Builds: complete wheel R500 (new) or R650 (old), other wheel work from R150Tubeless Conversion: R100 per wheel excl. partsSpecialized Turbo, Kenenvo and Levo Software Update: R300Fork/Shock Service*: from R1000 to R2000 each, to be performed in conjunction with bicycle service. *min 4 daysFull Pivot Replacement*: labour R600 min (excl. cost of bearings)Box/Unpack Bicycle: R100 for box, R250 labourRandom Bicycle Noises: R400/hour to attempt repair but there’s no guarantee that we’ll find it … or repair permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Bru Posted December 26, 2020 Share What he is saying is calling a wash & lube a “minor service” A minor service is generally replacing cable inners, indexing of gears, setting brakes, and a full wash & lube. Some shops will top up sealant as well. As for the rest of what you’re saying... you’re right, it does belong in the other threads. Exactly. Calling something a service should involve servicing something. It's like calling a car wash a mini service. But on the whole cost of things at bike shops and the price of labour etc, I believe in the willing buyer willing seller philosophy. If people are willing to pay R1000 to have their bike sprayed with a hose pipe, then I would charge them R1000 if I was the one with the hosepipe. But if I was the consumer and I was upset about the cost, I would buy myself a hosepipe and watch some tutorials on how to aim hosepipes at bikes. 90% of bike maintenance isn't that hard if you're willing to try and invest in a tool or 2. Edited December 26, 2020 by Mountain Bru Hairy and DR ◣◢ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted December 26, 2020 Share Exactly. Calling something a service should involve servicing something. It's like calling a car wash a mini service. But on the whole cost of things at bike shops and the price of labour etc, I believe in the willing buyer willing seller philosophy. If people are willing to pay R1000 to have their bike sprayed with a hose pipe, then I would charge them R1000 if I was the one with the hosepipe. But if I was the consumer and I was upset about the cost, I would buy myself a hosepipe and watch some tutorials on how to aim hosepipes at bikes. 90% of bike maintenance isn't that hard if you're willing to try and invest in a tool or 2. Well said and I agree, unless that hosepipe is 4K and I would only use the hosepipe once every 4 years as I was my bike with a bucket of water or take it into the shower at the local holiday in to wash the bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR ◣◢ Posted December 26, 2020 Share Well said and I agree, unless that hosepipe is 4K and I would only use the hosepipe once every 4 years as I was my bike with a bucket of water or take it into the shower at the local holiday in to wash the bike So what you’re saying is I won’t be using that new derailleur alignment tool once a week? ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Bru Posted December 26, 2020 Share So what you’re saying is I won’t be using that new derailleur alignment tool once a week? Only if it's the Park Tools one.... DR ◣◢ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Bru Posted December 26, 2020 Share Well said and I agree, unless that hosepipe is 4K and I would only use the hosepipe once every 4 years as I was my bike with a bucket of water or take it into the shower at the local holiday in to wash the bike I once washed my MTB in a hotel bath/shower after a muddy ride.... would not recommend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR ◣◢ Posted December 26, 2020 Share I once washed my MTB in a hotel bath/shower after a muddy ride.... would not recommend.... Did you also have to run around at 12 at night looking for a plunger because you clogged up the drain with all the mud? TheoG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted December 28, 2020 Share Seat Stem = seat post Just saw a 'wanted' advert for a 'Seat Pin' . And it wasn't for a retro bike so that it matches his 'Goose Neck'.He is wanting a carbon fibre aero seat post (or even seat mast as some brands call it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Just saw a 'wanted' advert for a 'Seat Pin' . And it wasn't for a retro bike so that it matches his 'Goose Neck'.He is wanting a carbon fibre aero seat post (or even seat mast as some brands call it)link or it never happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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