Rapide have made it onto PinkBike

[RocknRolla]

I will put my hand up for a local frame review.

 

SS of course.

[Super Sywurm]

I don't like using PB, the website is to ''busy'' for my liking.

[stefmeister]

Ja, They want another Grim Donut. Anything less is old school!

 

Most 'negative' comments were around the STA and TT length, at 650 mm for a M, it's almost in XL territory of other brands. You'll look like a roadie stretched out on that thing without a proper short stem.

It's like those first long Mondrakers before everyone realised you actually have to steepen the STA if you're going to increase the reach. 

They had to fit these to make it rideable.

Edited January 11, 2021 by stefmeister

[dalem44]

I would like to see one built up. Are there any pics around?

[DieselnDust]

Most 'negative' comments were around the STA and TT length, at 650 mm for a M, it's almost in XL territory of other brands. You'll look like a roadie stretched out on that thing without a proper short stem.

It's like those first long Mondrakers before everyone realised you actually have to steepen the STA if you're going to increase the reach. 

They had to fit these to make it rideable.

 

 

rapide does need to clarify whether the listed STA is actual or effective.

 

Looking at the reach figures the 100mm fork leaves the bike at its longest reach in M with 480mm

Thats 55mm longer than my XC duallie but I'd probably have a higher handle bar set up

 

with a 120m fork the reach is 470mm and STA is 73.5 which is spot on for me. A 40mm /45mm stem with rider bar gets me in the right position.

The obsession's with steep seat angles results in bikes that you feel you are sitting on top of instead of inside of. 

Works on longer travel duallies but for hardtails were the rear sag is dependent on the size of the riders butt its not such a biggie (sorry was tat a contradiction....!??)

 

bearing in mind this frame is marketed as an all rounder I think they've hit the best possible compromise

Edited January 11, 2021 by DieselnDust

[Grease_Monkey]

As much as I want to love the frame, I have to admit the STA is very slack. I'd want to see no less than 75 degrees. Having spent alot of time on the new geo bikes I am sold. Having short legs in relation to my upper body has meant I always have to slam saddles all the way forward on the rails, and even then feel like I am sitting behind the bb. The new geo means I can get comfy, but I have a feeling I won't be on the Rapide.

[stefmeister]

rapide does need to clarify whether the listed STA is actual or effective.

 

Looking at the reach figures the 100mm fork leaves the bike at its longest reach in M with 480mm

Thats 55mm longer than my XC duallie but I'd probably have a higher handle bar set up

 

with a 120m fork the reach is 470mm and STA is 73.5 which is spot on for me. A 40mm /45mm stem with rider bar gets me in the right position.

The obsession's with steep seat angles results in bikes that you feel you are sitting on top of instead of inside of. 

Works on longer travel duallies but for hardtails were the rear sag is dependent on the size of the riders butt its not such a biggie (sorry was tat a contradiction....!??)

 

Yeah, I'm not totally convinced by super steep STAs either. 

Looking at my bicycle, at 75*, the saddle is moved almost all the way to the back, as I just never felt comfortable riding it more forwards. My upper glutes/lower back would get so sore halfway into a ride, I needed to do yoga sessions in between rides.

[DieselnDust]

Yeah, I'm not totally convinced by super steep STAs either. 

Looking at my bicycle, at 75*, the saddle is moved almost all the way to the back, as I just never felt comfortable riding it more forwards. My upper glutes/lower back would get so sore halfway into a ride, I needed to do yoga sessions in between rides.

 

 

same here, My road bike has a steep STA and It comes with a 20mm set back post as standard. Saddle is in the middle of the rails and it works out due to the slammed stem and more stretched position.

On a MTb with a dropper posts only having inline saddle cradles a 75degree STA is just too steep coupled to a high stack.

For my purposes the Rapide Tigre ticks the geo box as I'll be more comfortable riding to the trails and longer distance rides.

Theres a place for this machine and its in my garage

[Headshot]

As much as I want to love the frame, I have to admit the STA is very slack. I'd want to see no less than 75 degrees. Having spent alot of time on the new geo bikes I am sold. Having short legs in relation to my upper body has meant I always have to slam saddles all the way forward on the rails, and even then feel like I am sitting behind the bb. The new geo means I can get comfy, but I have a feeling I won't be on the Rapide.

 

I ride a slightly old school Steel HT with a 73 deg STA and a 160mm fork. Its a smallish large so I have the seat as far back as possible, a layback dropper with a lot of extension for my long legs and a 75mm stem. In this configuration, the seated riding position is great and the recent addition of the lay back dropper post and rearward seat has given the thing a new lease on life as an XC capable enduro HT. The STA is far less important on a HT simply because it steepens rather than slackens when you sit on it because it only sags up front. 

[Kuys]

The reach nr's are ridiculously long. To the point where Im wondering whether its a typo? And remember on a HT it increase further as the fork sags. 

 

with 120mm fork the medium (the smallest they make) reach is 470! And with the "slack" seat angle the top tube L is even worse at 653mm. 

 

Somewhere someone made a mistake... 

[Grease_Monkey]

I ride a slightly old school Steel HT with a 73 deg STA and a 160mm fork. Its a smallish large so I have the seat as far back as possible, a layback dropper with a lot of extension for my long legs and a 75mm stem. In this configuration, the seated riding position is great and the recent addition of the lay back dropper post and rearward seat has given the thing a new lease on life as an XC capable enduro HT. The STA is far less important on a HT simply because it steepens rather than slackens when you sit on it because it only sags up front.

It comes down to preference and how you are built. Even on my hardtail (which I no longer have) with a STA of 76 degrees I had the saddle slammed all the way forward. I am not too bothered by a degree here and there on a bike, but for some reason the one place I am very finnicky is the STA, saddle height, and and saddle tilt. Maybe I'm just full of sh*t.

 

Anyway, I doubt the STA will matter as much to anyone else, and with a 120mm fork on it, it will be fine. I just wouldn't build it with a 140mm.

[NC]

Been riding a last gen Cotic Soul since it was released. It has a 72° sta, a 667 top tube, 35mm stem, a lay-back seat post, and the seat is still more to the back. It's the most intuitive bike I have ever ridden. Love it!