TheoG Posted July 4, 2022 Share 15 hours ago, Jewbacca said: huh? He was disqualified and kicked out of the race. He won an appeal, but he was still ejected from the race. So no, we can argue technicalities, but he did not complete the 2017 TDF because DQ. The appeal was perhaps correct re a DQ, but he was not innocent in the incident. So the big picture of Sagan getting in trouble is the point, not technicalities. The point is that his sprint antics yesterday are no surprise and nothing new. The end. Also, cheers. Don't get me wrong, I like Sagan. But here he was guilty as hell, how his appeal succeeded is beyond me ... Edit: Sure his "intent" was to win the stage not to make Cav fall, but the fact is he was still the cause of the fall .... Edited July 4, 2022 by TheoG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 4, 2022 Share 1 hour ago, jcza said: Bloke that should be in jail for dodgy sprinting wins the stage but hubbers are talking about Sagan…. LOL 😂 ...and no mention of Wout's really dodge sprint, where the definition of a straight line was not just taken to the limit but pulled outside, beat up and mocked. I thought he'd get a penalty for that sprint but as always, the line is a point of view, especially the commissaires. But the social media focus is on Sagan...😆 jimmycool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 4, 2022 Share 17 minutes ago, TheoG said: Don't get me wrong, I like Sagan. But here he was guilty as hell, how his appeal succeeded is beyond me ... Edit: Sure his "intent" was to win the stage not to make Cav fall, but the fact is he was still the cause of the fall .... no he wasn't. Cavendish literally rode into Sagan, that's why the DQ was overturned. The UCI claimed Sagan should have left more space but in order to do so he would have needed to deviate from his line and into riders on his left, which would put him on the wrong side of the regulations. This was of course all a distraction from the real problem which was the finish straight funneled toward the line pinching all the riders into each other. Vetplant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoG Posted July 4, 2022 Share 10 minutes ago, DieselnDust said: no he wasn't. Cavendish literally rode into Sagan, that's why the DQ was overturned. The UCI claimed Sagan should have left more space but in order to do so he would have needed to deviate from his line and into riders on his left, which would put him on the wrong side of the regulations. This was of course all a distraction from the real problem which was the finish straight funneled toward the line pinching all the riders into each other. I looked at it again and again, amazing that we see different things on the same video, I simply cant see that Cav rode into Sagan. Lets agree to disagree, its ancient history anyway ... DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 4, 2022 Share 11 minutes ago, TheoG said: I looked at it again and again, amazing that we see different things on the same video, I simply cant see that Cav rode into Sagan. Lets agree to disagree, its ancient history anyway ... agreed, time to move on from it. I posted previously what one of the videos used in the analysis revealed, his shifter hooking Sagan's arm (which is why the elbow comes out for balance), thats why Cav falls. TheoG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamil Posted July 4, 2022 Share 30 okes with competitive temperaments, going full tilt in a physical contest involving high degree of physical danger and the stakes are high .... this is not a recipe for rational, calm decision making, considered evaluation of rules etc. Vetplant, Fred van Vlaanderen, Zebra and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted July 4, 2022 Share Amazing scenery from Denmark but quite dull racing. Lets hope things improve from tomorrow. babse, Underachiever, Sid the Sloth and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babse Posted July 4, 2022 Share 48 minutes ago, jcza said: Amazing scenery from Denmark but quite dull racing. Lets hope things improve from tomorrow. They crossed a bridge... Lol Crowds were massive and some local okes got a wave to their neighbors. Haha but yeah keen to get onto more exciting racing so we can have less Sagan fan boy handbag slinging here Rowl, justinafrika, mecheng89 and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underachiever Posted July 4, 2022 Share 17 hours ago, babse said: That congratulations from Sagan tho🤭 Like we said in the old days. Look at the 3 fingers pointing back to you... justinafrika and mecheng89 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted July 4, 2022 Share 1 hour ago, jcza said: Amazing scenery from Denmark but quite dull racing. Lets hope things improve from tomorrow. The course seems more inviting for a Breakaway to succeed on Stage 4 and even more so on the Arenberg Stage 5. Luckily my calendar is clean for Wednesday, but tomorrow afternoon requires some creative thinking...🤔 Jakkals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted July 4, 2022 Share 11 minutes ago, Vetplant said: The course seems more inviting for a Breakaway to succeed on Stage 4 and even more so on the Arenberg Stage 5. Luckily my calendar is clean for Wednesday, but tomorrow afternoon requires some creative thinking...🤔 Loadshedding making the juggling even harder Vetplant and TheoG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechatnoir Posted July 4, 2022 Share 37 minutes ago, Vetplant said: The course seems more inviting for a Breakaway to succeed on Stage 4 and even more so on the Arenberg Stage 5. Luckily my calendar is clean for Wednesday, but tomorrow afternoon requires some creative thinking...🤔 the main GC guys will be mindful of a breakaway, but also of their safety (stage 5), so won't be unduly concerned about a breakway upsetting the current GC apple cart. i wonder what WvA's role will be on the cobbles? try and smash it and hope for not another 2nd place, or guide Rog-a-log through the danger? could he lose yellow on a stage he'd be favourite to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted July 4, 2022 Share 12 minutes ago, lechatnoir said: the main GC guys will be mindful of a breakaway, but also of their safety (stage 5), so won't be unduly concerned about a breakway upsetting the current GC apple cart. i wonder what WvA's role will be on the cobbles? try and smash it and hope for not another 2nd place, or guide Rog-a-log through the danger? could he lose yellow on a stage he'd be favourite to win? Word on the street is WvA will be chained to Rog and Jonas on those cobbles, but that doesn't mean he cannot sprint if he happens to be in the lead group going to the Finish line.... I think Wout will win on Stage 4 and will then be happy to work on Stage 5. PS.Gotta love sport, we have no idea what is actually going to transpire. TheoG, justinafrika and Jewbacca 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechatnoir Posted July 4, 2022 Share 3 minutes ago, Vetplant said: Word on the street is WvA will be chained to Rog and Jonas on those cobbles, but that doesn't mean he cannot sprint if he happens to be in the lead group going to the Finish line.... I think Wout will win on Stage 4 and will then be happy to work on Stage 5. PS.Gotta love sport, we have no idea what is actually going to transpire. yup, he's a rider that can do all things on a bike. let's see if he can do all the things at the same time. cobbled sections come regularly towards the finish - if there's a break, it'll be interesting to see a 'minder' in the bunch catch a break and then beat them too Vetplant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted July 4, 2022 Share Just now, lechatnoir said: yup, he's a rider that can do all things on a bike. let's see if he can do all the things at the same time. cobbled sections come regularly towards the finish - if there's a break, it'll be interesting to see a 'minder' in the bunch catch a break and then beat them too I can see something similar to what MvdP did in Amstel Gold a couple of years back.... TheoG and DieselnDust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 4, 2022 Share TheoG, Jakkals., throttles and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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