Bike washing theory

[dasilvarsa]

1 hour ago, love2fly said:

Without drifting the thread, isn't the lubricating oil in a fork same as motor oil and the hydraulic oil is the fork oil?

@droo ?

A lot of people use Motor Oil for Lowers Service 5W30 and it works fine as a lubricant but it can cause Staining of Parts because it has Detergent Additives. Fork Oil for Motorcycles (15w) does not cause staining of Parts and also works fine as a Lubricant.  Damper Oil is 5w or 3w depending on application.

 

Edited September 22, 2023 by dasilvarsa

[droo]

On 9/22/2023 at 2:43 PM, love2fly said:

Without drifting the thread, isn't the lubricating oil in a fork same as motor oil and the hydraulic oil is the fork oil?

@droo ?

Depends on the fork. Fox in particular use the same oil in dampers and lowers on their older forks and on the damper side on their GRIP forks, Their 20W Gold is closer to machine slideway oil than anything else. Some RS forks use a 15W fork oil in the lowers, others use 0W30 motor oil. 

For lubing seals, whatever you use in the lowers is ideal, but basically anything without seal swelling additives will be fine.

[TyronLab]

 

Ironic image much?

Pressure washing like this is why people think pressure washers are bad for bikes. This oke hates his bottom bracket...

[dasilvarsa]

6 hours ago, droo said:

Depends on the fork. Fox in particular use the same oil in dampers and lowers on their older forks and on the damper side on their GRIP forks, Their 20W Gold is closer to machine slideway oil than anything else. Some RS forks use a 15W fork oil in the lowers, others use 0W30 motor oil. 

For lubing seals, whatever you use in the lowers is ideal, but basically anything without seal swelling additives will be fine.

The RockShox 0w30 is in Fact MultiGrade High Performance Suspension Fluid.

It Is Far From Motor OIL and Not Related to Car Engines Diesel or Petrol.

High Performance Suspension Fluid - 0W30 | SS-OIL-0W30-A1 | RockShox | Service (sram.com)

[splat]

1 hour ago, TyronLab said:

 

Ironic image much?

Pressure washing like this is why people think pressure washers are bad for bikes. This oke hates his bottom bracket...

Not as much as Peter Sagan hates his...
https://www.facebook.com/PeterSagan/videos/making-sure-my-specialized-bicycles-beauty-is-fresh-and-clean-before-we-fly-to-u/567100744916504/

[droo]

1 hour ago, dasilvarsa said:

The RockShox 0w30 is in Fact MultiGrade High Performance Suspension Fluid.

It Is Far From Motor OIL and Not Related to Car Engines Diesel or Petrol.

High Performance Suspension Fluid - 0W30 | SS-OIL-0W30-A1 | RockShox | Service (sram.com)

Afraid I will defer to only one person on this one, and that's @DieselnDust. The Rockshox website will only tell you all the reasons you should only buy their specific stuff.

[dasilvarsa]

13 hours ago, droo said:

Afraid I will defer to only one person on this one, and that's @DieselnDust. The Rockshox website will only tell you all the reasons you should only buy their specific stuff.

I've used It before and "to me" it does not look, feel or smell like Motor Oil it's more like Maxima.

Motor Oil is much Darker. 

I also Trust all RockShox Lubricants from SRAM.

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by dasilvarsa

[DieselnDust]

14 hours ago, droo said:

Afraid I will defer to only one person on this one, and that's @DieselnDust. The Rockshox website will only tell you all the reasons you should only buy their specific stuff.

There’s no reason to make a multi grade hydraulic oil. I know of one I developed for a very specialised ( without the “z”) application. This was a bespoke lab blended product for a long stroke damper that was tuneable and  had to last 20hrs. The reason is that the additives used to modify the viscosity can tend to gum up the damper circuit shims and valve orifices. So the better way to achieve a “multi grade “ performance is to blend two different base oils together. This then just gives the oil a wider viscosity index but in effect is still a monograde. 
I doubt SRAM have gone through the effort to develop a multi grade hydraulic oil.

[Hairy]

16 hours ago, splat said:

Not as much as Peter Sagan hates his...
https://www.facebook.com/PeterSagan/videos/making-sure-my-specialized-bicycles-beauty-is-fresh-and-clean-before-we-fly-to-u/567100744916504/

He did not abuse it in that vid.

[droo]

1 hour ago, DieselnDust said:

There’s no reason to make a multi grade hydraulic oil. I know of one I developed for a very specialised ( without the “z”) application. This was a bespoke lab blended product for a long stroke damper that was tuneable and  had to last 20hrs. The reason is that the additives used to modify the viscosity can tend to gum up the damper circuit shims and valve orifices. So the better way to achieve a “multi grade “ performance is to blend two different base oils together. This then just gives the oil a wider viscosity index but in effect is still a monograde. 
I doubt SRAM have gone through the effort to develop a multi grade hydraulic oil.

Thanks for confirming, I suspected as much. Most bike branded suspension oil is just bought from another manufacturer and relabelled. RS 0W30 is most likely just relabelled Maxima 4 stroke motorbike oil.

[Jewbacca]

Do you guys really clean your bikes after EVERY ride as described in the posts?

Every single ride?

Yoh..... I think I last cleaned my road bike the day before CTCT 

I mean I wipe the chain when I lube it and run a brush through the cassette every now and then, but yoh.... That is a LOT of cleaning

[nox1111]

On 9/22/2023 at 6:54 AM, dewaldsss said:

I've been using blixem degreaser on my whole bike for years but it tend to give the gloss paint job a dull finish, so now only using it on the drivetrain.

Switched to Shield car wash for the rest of the bike with no issues

also use RSP hyper wiper after each wash and no issues.

Sometimes i use the foam cannon with some snowfoam if the bike is dirty and busy washing the cars..... no hassles.

 

Ek ken die ou wat Blixem maak - daai goed is sterk, maar breek nie wax build up op nie, great met olie though. Hy het ons Ryder bike wash help develop, so daai was groot factor om te consider. Probeer die Ryder in jou foam cannon volgende - ek het botteltjie vir jou. En dit ruik na bubblegum.

[dasilvarsa]

42 minutes ago, droo said:

Thanks for confirming, I suspected as much. Most bike branded suspension oil is just bought from another manufacturer and relabelled. RS 0W30 is most likely just relabelled Maxima 4 stroke motorbike oil.

That's just Speculation.

I've Read most Fork and Shock Suspension Manuals and Not one of them tells you to use Motor Oil in the Lowers. That's why I don't believe everything that is posted on the Internet I do my own Research and Testing on my own bikes.

When I used 5w30 Motor oil on the RS I found that it attracted Sand to the Stanchions Made White parts Yellow and the Seals did not last. 

You can use Motor oil If you want. I will not use it on my own Bikes Forks and do not recommend using Motor Oil in the Lowers. I current use the full range of Motul Fork OIL Products and it's working for me and my NON Internet Friends.

Edited September 27, 2023 by dasilvarsa

[nox1111]

32 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

Do you guys really clean your bikes after EVERY ride as described in the posts?

Every single ride?

Yoh..... I think I last cleaned my road bike the day before CTCT 

I mean I wipe the chain when I lube it and run a brush through the cassette every now and then, but yoh.... That is a LOT of cleaning

haha, I surely don't. I do a once a month 10min wash and dry. Basic chain lube after. Will clean chain every 4 -6 months with actual chain cleaner.

[Bub Marley]

38 minutes ago, Jewbacca said:

Do you guys really clean your bikes after EVERY ride as described in the posts?

Every single ride?

Yoh..... I think I last cleaned my road bike the day before CTCT 

I mean I wipe the chain when I lube it and run a brush through the cassette every now and then, but yoh.... That is a LOT of cleaning

Road Bike - If it doesn’t rain, then maybe every 2-3 weeks. I will give it a wipe off in between though. If it rains, bike is pretty filthy so immediate wash.

 

MTB - After almost every ride especially this winter where it’s been terrible. If its dry you can ride for longer but I just prefer a clean bike versus a dusty one.

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, droo said:

Thanks for confirming, I suspected as much. Most bike branded suspension oil is just bought from another manufacturer and relabelled. RS 0W30 is most likely just relabelled Maxima 4 stroke motorbike oil.

I suspect your suspicion is correct