Nick Posted March 15 Share 13 minutes ago, Shebeen said: @Nick just for reference sake, found this on the topic tag - your review on the 2017 S-Works epic, (guessing that would be about V5 in the range if this is V8?) Was R140k, and the comments are indeed similar on pricing at the extremes of the range! https://bikehub.co.za/news/first-ride-2017-specialized-s-works-epic-29-world-cup-r6033/ I've ridden a few of them 😆 2019 Epic Evo: https://bikehub.co.za/news/review-specialized-epic-expert-evo-r7530/ 2021 Sworks Epic Evo: https://bikehub.co.za/news/review-2021-specialized-s-works-epic-evo-r8142/ 2021 Sworks Epic: https://bikehub.co.za/news/review-2021-specialized-s-works-epic-r8141/ I'm sure history repeats itself in all the comments. Even though I've dabbled in the SWorks good life, I'm exceedingly happy with my own Comp level Epic EVO. Somehow I manage to pass a lot of SWorks riders on it 🤔 Shebeen, DieselnDust, Zebra and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Posted March 15 Share Did I miss something? R295k... How is that bicycle worth more than this motorcycle? OVERDRIVE, Jewbacca and NickGM 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrRichard Posted March 15 Share have a look at some road bikes.... ('no' electronics) yes limited edition - but second hand components @ R330K https://bikehub.co.za/classifieds/item/road-bikes/706935/colnago-c68-limited-edition has AXS... @ R260K https://bikehub.co.za/classifieds/item/road-bikes/642688/new-cervelo-s5-custom-medium-54cm we are humans - we will pay for what we think is valuable and those in marketing/sales will ask for what they think we can pay. We just need to decide where we want to spend our rands, and hope that the rock/tarmac recognises what I have spent and does not jump out and smash my very expensive piece of carbon Zebra and Headshot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baracuda Posted March 15 Share 2 hours ago, Aurora said: Did I miss something? R295k... How is that bicycle worth more than this motorcycle? Exactly, the technology in that KTM is nuts, they sell fewer of them, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W@nted Posted March 15 Share 3 hours ago, Aurora said: Did I miss something? R295k... How is that bicycle worth more than this motorcycle? Hahaha do not ask these questions in this thread. You (and many other incl me) are not the target market of a R295k mtb. We should stand in awe of the tech on the mtb and see it as the super superbike of the bicycle world, It is still cheaper than a Ferrari, so we should be thankfull. 🤩 Ant in the NL and DieselnDust 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickGM Posted March 15 Share 4 hours ago, Aurora said: Did I miss something? R295k... How is that bicycle worth more than this motorcycle? To answer your first question, yes. You missed about 10 different people predicting this very post. I'm not saying anything you've said is wrong, in fact I completely agree with you and would like someone to explain it in a way that isn't "It costs that much because people are buying them at that price". But I still spat my tea out when I saw your post. Man this thread has doubled back on itself so many times it is beginning to bend space and time. Jewbacca and W@nted 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W@nted Posted March 15 Share Interesting that the circle of complaints about the high prices continues as predicted. Yet more companies in the bicycle industry are downscaling and restructuring. Is there not a correlation between the circle of complaints from consumers and the current stance of the bicycle industry? DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted March 15 Share 35 minutes ago, W@nted said: Interesting that the circle of complaints about the high prices continues as predicted. Yet more companies in the bicycle industry are downscaling and restructuring. Is there not a correlation between the circle of complaints from consumers and the current stance of the bicycle industry? No because there are enough people willing to buy those products from a waiting list months long. The bicycle company will still make enough money to pay shareholders and staff bonuses. This is not middle class product man. W@nted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST FACE Posted March 15 Share 2 hours ago, DieselnDust said: No because there are enough people willing to buy those products from a waiting list months long. The bicycle company will still make enough money to pay shareholders and staff bonuses. This is not middle class product man. Not likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVERDRIVE Posted March 15 Share This will really go on forver, lol. If you have the money and you're into it, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDL Posted March 15 Share 8 hours ago, DieselnDust said: Indeed, that’s why there’s the “vote with your wallet “ all the electronics has actually made bikes heavier. so if a R100k mechanical bike still weighs the same as R100k bike from 2018 and the shifting and braking is similar in performance than that’s a win, but it’s not. todays R100k bike is over a kilo heavier. and this is not just a SA inflation thing, it’s a global discontent that is playing out in declining sales According to that podcast that was shared last week (escape collective), Spez is seeing consistent 50%+ YOY growth in China, so I suspect that they are protected overall from a restriction in sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted March 15 Share 7 minutes ago, BigDL said: According to that podcast that was shared last week (escape collective), Spez is seeing consistent 50%+ YOY growth in China, so I suspect that they are protected overall from a restriction in sales. HIGHLY doubt that Of the 5 main S brands I can't imagine the others consolidating and Spex having 50% yoy especially with bikes like the epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karma Posted March 15 Share Iwan Kemp, Ant in the NL, OVERDRIVE and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted March 16 Share 9 hours ago, BaGearA said: HIGHLY doubt that Of the 5 main S brands I can't imagine the others consolidating and Spex having 50% yoy especially with bikes like the epic China is a huge market and growing rapidly. If a cycling brand has distribution rights in China itself it is well protected from the recession in western economies. Specialized has a subsidiary registered in Shanghai so I reckon the podcast has good information Edited March 16 by DieselnDust BigDL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaGearA Posted March 16 Share 1 hour ago, DieselnDust said: China is a huge market and growing rapidly. If a cycling brand has distribution rights in China itself it is well protected from the recession in western economies. Specialized has a subsidiary registered in Shanghai so I reckon the podcast has good information Okay but it's not like the average Chinese can afford a 17 000$ dollar bike , also we know the real money is in quantity ( Cajees) so neither can they afford rockhoppers at 600$ ? Like China's average person seems to be much worse off than our average, and the average south African isnt even thinking about expensive mtb's That's why social media does well there , any cheap 5$ dollar phone can have facebook or tiktok and with an overabundance of free wifi everyone can sit on phones and melt brains away on ads. And again when millions of people are doing the above tech companies bank. , which is every clearly shown in the tech markets now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Help.Me. Posted March 16 Share Man and here I was thinking the Flight Attendant is the person serving you stuff on the Aeroplane..... hansolo and DieselnDust 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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