chicababe Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Guys I think the best thing is for you to sort this out in private. This is a public forum where lots of people log in. Hubbers will just prod you on and stir the pot- for them it is entertainment. Get some lawyers and sort it out in a civil way. Thank you Edge for warning us about Snip- but we will form our own judgements when buying from her in the future. I hope for both of you it works out ok. +1 Thanx
Wyatt Earp Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 On taking sides here... Edge Design has a good reputation here on the hub... he has always been cool to do deals with, and open and honest about his dealings... Snip on the other hand has a lot to answer for. It's ovias those Zipps weren't damaged in transit... she was trying to make a quick buck No one has anything to answer for, especially not when Edge says that the third person's mechanic spotted the crack Too many hand changes here, that crack could have happened anywhere from where it left snip.Also when they land at your doorstep wouldn't inspecting them be a responsible thing to do ?Here The Hub are at it again, doing what they do best and that it is, judging others purely based on assumptions.There are no sides to take, this is a barney between snip and edge and best left out of the public eye as none of us would be able to PROVE as to who is wrong or right.
Thor Buttox Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Gotta say here, looking at the evidence that has been put here, Edge it looks like you aren't going to have much to stand on, bud. As much as youre rep precedes you with the likes of Marius vouching for you, if you look at the "reasonable man" defense I cannot see the court finding for you. And if in your dealings with Snip you came to the same conclusion that she was a beginner, I can vouch that when I started riding I rode for a long time on a seriously damaged MTB wheel out of pure ignorance. Hope you come to terms/find a result...
Tankman Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Okay, here is my version of the story. Im a new cyclist on the road, wheels is not my speciality. you have contacted me to swop for my zipps. i took photos of the wheels for you of each thing on that wheel you have asked for. There was no crack on that wheel. i have taken the wheels to my bike shop and they said, there’s nothing wrong with the wheels, the bearings on the hub is only a bit dry, and that’s it. The wheels was on my bike, i have done one race with it and i wanted to swop because of the tubbies that i am afraid to change by myself and everyone say its difficult to change. So i didnt swop my wheels bacause there was something wrong with it!it was second hand wheels and you knew it. The wheels was send to you without any hazzles on 11 JANUARY 2011. Since 11 january 2011 you have never contacted me to tell me anything was wrong with the wheels. As a reasonable person if you have contacted me on the day when you have received the wheels,openend the box and see that those wasnt the wheels you asked for,then you could’ve send it back and i am more than willing to take it back. But you emailed me 21 FEBRUARY 2011. A whole month later while the wheels was in your possesion and you have already made a transaction to sold it to someone else, you come back to me and tell me of all the faults on the wheels that there is and how unhappy you are and now you want me to fix the problem that you have. If you complaining about all the faults there is on the wheels and its not dimpled etc. Why didnt you take the wheels out the day when you received it from the post and checked all these things you complaining about now and send it back? Now you unhappy with me?and i must take the responsibility after a whole month that have pass and the wheels was in your possesion? Does the time gap really make such a big difference? If he took your word for what you said why would he investigate the condition with a microscope if he knows they are not going to sit around for long before selling them to someone else?You told him they were dimpled but they were not? Did the dimples disappear in transit or do they start fading away after a month?
cat-i Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 If you open a box and it isnt what you swoped it for or bought, what will you do wait for time to go by and then sell the wheels to a other lad, he brings it back dammage that you didnt even see, and want to give it back to the seller you got it from, or will you call the seller and say, Hay man this is not what we agreed on and please send me my wheels back as I will send yours.you friends with snip? know her from somewhere?
Capricorn Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 everyone seems to assume this crack can just automagically happen. Every defect requires energy stemming from an associated activity. When it comes to what's reasonable, ask the question then: what could reasonably supply sufficient energy to generate the defect? Also, what about the dimples versus non-dimples. If one party claims to not know much about wheels and bicycles, why respond in the affirmative the item is as requested by teh buyer? Ignorance is bliss defence is going to melt.
chicababe Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Does the time gap really make such a big difference? If he took your word for what you said why would he investigate the condition with a microscope if he knows they are not going to sit around for long before selling them to someone else?You told him they were dimpled but they were not? Did the dimples disappear in transit or do they start fading away after a month? Well if she knows so much about wheels as she said and like me, I just asked this morning about what is dimpled wheels. I didnt know what dimpled wheels where. She could have made a honost mistake.
Chubba Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 No one has anything to answer for, especially not when Edge says that the third person's mechanic spotted the crack Too many hand changes here, that crack could have happened anywhere from where it left snip.Also when they land at your doorstep wouldn't inspecting them be a responsible thing to do ?Here The Hub are at it again, doing what they do best and that it is, judging others purely based on assumptions.There are no sides to take, this is a barney between snip and edge and best left out of the public eye as none of us would be able to PROVE as to who is wrong or right.+1
chicababe Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 everyone seems to assume this crack can just automagically happen. Every defect requires energy stemming from an associated activity. When it comes to what's reasonable, ask the question then: what could reasonably supply sufficient energy to generate the defect? Also, what about the dimples versus non-dimples. If one party claims to not know much about wheels and bicycles, why respond in the affirmative the item is as requested by teh buyer? Ignorance is bliss defence is going to melt. Why didnt he return the wheels after he saw it is NOT DIMPLED Wheels???
KaKa Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 I am with snip on this one, I think most people are not 100% honest and leave it to the buyer make sure the product is as discribed. some information is not relayed to the buyer.Back to this issue, the buyer must make sure on the day of delivery that the goodsare in the condition expected. And in this case a 3rd party has pointed out the issues
Harry Potter Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) Don't want to choose a side, but all I know is, That is no hairline crack Edited February 28, 2011 by Feniks
Ratty Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Well if she knows so much about wheels as she said and like me, I just asked this morning about what is dimpled wheels. I didnt know what dimpled wheels where. She could have made a honost mistake. Its sounds like the wheels were exactly what was in the picture. If the picture wasn't clear enough, request decent ones. Most shops will only have a 7 day return policy. You can't realistically expect someone to take something back and refund you after more than a month. There is no way to prove the crack was there when you got them. In the month you could have ridden with the wheels and caused the crack. Its a tough lesson, but a lesson learnt all the same. Inspect goods or get someone qualified to inspect goods before buying them!
chicababe Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) you friends with snip? know her from somewhere? I bought some things from her. And there was nothing wrong with the stuff as she was verry profesional and helping indeed. I didnt know much about the running stuff I bought but she helped a lot. That is why I cant think that she would be sou hartless and sell someting she know is not in a good order, and just rubbing it off, if it is not her foult alone. They both had to take the wheels for inspection. Neither one of them did, Edge on the other, waited a month to ask her to return wheels, that he wasnt happy after selling them. That doesnt make sense to me. Edited February 28, 2011 by chicababe
Montblanc Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 No one has anything to answer for, especially not when Edge says that the third person's mechanic spotted the crack Too many hand changes here, that crack could have happened anywhere from where it left snip.Also when they land at your doorstep wouldn't inspecting them be a responsible thing to do ?Here The Hub are at it again, doing what they do best and that it is, judging others purely based on assumptions.There are no sides to take, this is a barney between snip and edge and best left out of the public eye as none of us would be able to PROVE as to who is wrong or right. Agree. This should be sorted out in private. Now everybody is fired up.
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