MTBeer Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 You are stuffing up a good thread....and why is anyone even debating the issue ?bored Warthog 1
Odinson Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I don't think the little dot theory puts anything into perspective. It's used to subjectively dismiss things deemed unimportant by those who use it, but it can really used for anything. So environmentalism: Who cares whether a tiny blue dot in the grand universe has panda bears or not? Politics: Who cares that a country on a tiny blue dot is run by an orange man called Trump, yet the same people who are now advocating for getting along spend a year whining about the dude in the Donald Drump thread. Who cares that some potato headed criminal ran a country called South Africa on a tiny blue dot in a grand universe yet most of you are glad to see him gone. Who cares what you think on a tiny blue dot in an infinite universe? See? The tiny blue dot thing, isn't an argument it's a self-serving dismissal. No. You are wrong. It is for that exact reason that WE should care whether there are panda bears, dodos, clean air and water, etc. It's the only place we've got and we can't afford to f*ck it up. You see Sagan's speech as a call to apathy, whereas it's a call to care and conservation. You're view on it say more about you than what it says about Sagan. Piston ZA, cfcjim and Warren_G 3
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) "What's needed is a bit of perspective. Realise that the world really is just an insignificant speck, so we may as well just all get along. It's the only world we have, at the moment. No need to wage unnecessary wars in the name of your imaginary friend, or your desire for endless expansion of your dominion. " - Myles Mahew. So, "don't be a jerk we should all get along, while I insult every Jew, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or everybody who doesn't share my view that gods are imaginary friends". When people say we should all get along and don't be a jerk, I suspect what they really mean is that "Everybody should be more like me, and value the things I value". Myles here's seems to think it's okay to be a jerk to religious people, because he doesn't value such things, and that belies his pretense of virtue. Everybody believes some things are worth fighting for and everybody thinks it's okay to be a jerk to those who deserve it. Pretending otherwise is to deceive yourself. Edited February 21, 2018 by Corvus Herman V, forkie, ahmedbadat and 4 others 7
Eldron Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I don't think the little dot theory puts anything into perspective. It's used to subjectively dismiss things deemed unimportant by those who use it, but it can really used for anything. So environmentalism: Who cares whether a tiny blue dot in the grand universe has panda bears or not? Politics: Who cares that a country on a tiny blue dot is run by an orange man called Trump, yet the same people who are now advocating for getting along spend a year whining about the dude in the Donald Drump thread. Who cares that some potato headed criminal ran a country called South Africa on a tiny blue dot in a grand universe yet most of you are glad to see him gone. Who cares what you think on a tiny blue dot in an infinite universe? See? The tiny blue dot thing, isn't an argument it's a self-serving dismissal. This where interpretation comes into it... You seem to interpret the blue dot theory from a nihilistic point of view. Me - I see it more as a relative importance point of view. What happens in one small part of the room, house, street, neighborhood, county, province, country, continent, planet etc might seem insignificant to each of those entities until the reaction on the next entity is measured. Each to their own interpretation I guess.
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 ok cool. and to justify your feeling of significance here is a picture of you taken from a veeeeeerrrrrry long way away main-qimg-3254a8e2d99608d590d2971b19ba580a-c.jpg No. You are wrong. It is for that exact reason that WE should care whether there are panda bears, dodos, clean air and water, etc. It's the only place we've got and we can't afford to f*ck it up. Right, I figured the environment or Trump would elicit a response. Aside from merely asserting that we can't afford to f*ck the earth up, what is your case for why that is important in the history and scope of the cosmos? You see Sagan's speech as a call to apathy, whereas it's a call to care and conservation. You're view on it say more about you than what it says about Sagan.
Showtime Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 This where interpretation comes into it... You seem to interpret the blue dot theory from a nihilistic point of view. Me - I see it more as a relative importance point of view. What happens in one small part of the room, house, street, neighborhood, county, province, country, continent, planet etc might seem insignificant to each of those entities until the reaction on the next entity is measured. Each to their own interpretation I guess. I really shouldn't have to google words on the awesome thread. This is for guys like me who pretend to read but prefer pictures. Spoke101 1
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 You are stuffing up a good thread....and why is anyone even debating the issue ? But, I thought we should just all get along? What about tolerating points of view other than your own?
Eldron Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I really shouldn't have to google words on the awesome thread. This is for guys like me who pretend to read but prefer pictures. Sorry - my bad. Does this make it up to you :-) Audible Anarchy, J∆kk∆ls, mon-goose and 2 others 5
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 This where interpretation comes into it... You seem to interpret the blue dot theory from a nihilistic point of view. Me - I see it more as a relative importance point of view. What happens in one small part of the room, house, street, neighborhood, county, province, country, continent, planet etc might seem insignificant to each of those entities until the reaction on the next entity is measured. Each to their own interpretation I guess. I think we're in agreement. The things we do should be done because they are worthwhile and meaningful. And sometimes things are worth fighting for. It seems though that many others here focus on the insignificance of the earth when viewed from space which just is more consistent with the nihilist interpretation than the way you're looking at Sagan's statement.
Eldron Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 WTF did I just watch? Less prescription calmatives for that man! J∆kk∆ls 1
Showtime Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Sorry - my bad. Does this make it up to you :-) Thanks That will be nice even from very far away.
Kranswurm Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 But, I thought we should just all get along? What about tolerating points of view other than your own?All points of view on here, including yours, should be binned
J∆kk∆ls Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Honest to god I nearly died of anxiety this morning as I realised my deadline suddenly looked unreasonable. So I made a cup of tea and got to work. If I fail, I figured a massive black hole wouldn't open up underneath me. A wise man once said, "meh!".
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 All points of view on here, including yours, should be binned ...Except yours right?
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