Shebeen Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 https://www.facebook.com/unidays/videos/1614886991892650/
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Also - those wars he was / is referring to in that quote were wars of conquest or ideology. If you have to fight to protect what is just, that's a different thing entirely. Okay, so the wars that should be fought are to protect what is just, and the ones that shouldn't be fought are unjust wars. Nothing to do with how small the earth appears from a distance then, yes?
Eddy Gordo Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Tuxstir, geomark, Pants Boy and 1 other 4
pista Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Eddy Gordo, Kalahari Vegmot, Pants Boy and 2 others 5
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Okay, so the wars that should be fought are to protect what is just, and the ones that shouldn't be fought are unjust wars. Nothing to do with how small the earth appears from a distance then, yes?whoooosh.... if more people accepted how insignificant they were in the grand scheme of things, and just how unimportant their aspirations of world domination were when considering the size of the universe, and compared that against the utter suffering and destruction that their pissing contests waged, humanity would be better for it. Basically - don't be a ****. And everything to do with how small the earth appears from a distance. Or, rather, from his point of view, an awful lot to do with how small the earth is from a distance. Edited February 21, 2018 by Myles Mayhew Patensie, Piston ZA, Readsalot and 1 other 4
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) BTW - nobody said don't fight for what's right. It's not black and white, either - so stop trying to force the argument to fit your frame of mind. What's needed is a bit of perspective. Realise that the world really is just an insignificant speck, so we may as well just all get along. It's the only world we have, at the moment. No need to wage unnecessary wars in the name of your imaginary friend, or your desire for endless expansion of your dominion. Don't be a dick... essentially. Edited February 21, 2018 by Myles Mayhew Akon, geomark, J∆kk∆ls and 2 others 5
MTBeer Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 BTW - nobody said don't fight for what's right. It's not black and white, either - so stop trying to force the argument to fit your frame of mind. What's needed is a bit of perspective. Realise that the world really is just an insignificant speck, so we may as well just all get along. It's the only world we have, at the moment. No need to wage unnecessary wars in the name of your imaginary friend, or your desire for endless expansion of your dominion. Don't be a ****... essentially. I suspect a religious root to the argument. Piston ZA and Readsalot 2
Eldron Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Don't be a ****... essentially.This. In spades. We don't need any rules except this one. Edited February 21, 2018 by Eldron Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and Hairy 2
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 whoooosh.... if more people accepted how insignificant they were in the grand scheme of things, and just how unimportant their aspirations of world domination were when considering the size of the universe, and compared that against the utter suffering and destruction that their pissing contests waged, humanity would be better for it. Basically - don't be a ****. And everything to do with how small the earth appears from a distance. Or, rather, from his point of view, an awful lot to do with how small the earth is from a distance. Lol. So much back-pedalling. So the profound wisdom that you all are so impressed with is essentially, "don't be a jerk"? This is the problem with Sagan's statement. At worst it's self-defeating and at best it's worthlessly trivial. How many of you guys thought being a jerk was what one ought to be prior to being enlightened by Sagan?
MTBeer Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 ok so we've heard Sagan's point of view - essentially that in the greater scheme of the universe the earth is pretty small fry. What is your point of view regarding the earth then Corvus? Relative to the greater universe that is. Akon 1
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 ok so we've heard Sagan's point of view - essentially that in the greater scheme of the universe the earth is pretty small fry. What is your point of view regarding the earth then Corvus? Relative to the greater universe that is. Hang on, there. You're assuming your opinion is worth responding to, but in the grand scheme of things, your opinion being part of the earth is also small fry, right? What I see from all you guys is basically that any point of view that differs from your own must be seen as part of a small speck of dust, yet the things you value, that is of some importance. Otherwise you wouldn't bother defending it, would you?
Eldron Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Okay, so the wars that should be fought are to protect what is just, and the ones that shouldn't be fought are unjust wars. Nothing to do with how small the earth appears from a distance then, yes? To be fair the little dot theory puts just and unjust war into perspective. Pollution in the form of ocean plastic is a good example of little dot theory. If you throw plastic into rivers and oceans your little piece of the universe seems perfectly clean but ultimately you'll destroy the whole world if you throw enough into the river. DJR 1
Corvus Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 To be fair the little dot theory puts just and unjust war into perspective. I don't think the little dot theory puts anything into perspective. It's used to subjectively dismiss things deemed unimportant by those who use it, but it can really used for anything. So environmentalism: Who cares whether a tiny blue dot in the grand universe has panda bears or not? Politics: Who cares that a country on a tiny blue dot is run by an orange man called Trump, yet the same people who are now advocating for getting along spend a year whining about the dude in the Donald Drump thread. Who cares that some potato headed criminal ran a country called South Africa on a tiny blue dot in a grand universe yet most of you are glad to see him gone. Who cares what you think on a tiny blue dot in an infinite universe? See? The tiny blue dot thing, isn't an argument it's a self-serving dismissal.
MTBeer Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Hang on, there. You're assuming your opinion is worth responding to, but in the grand scheme of things, your opinion being part of the earth is also small fry, right? What I see from all you guys is basically that any point of view that differs from your own must be seen as part of a small speck of dust, yet the things you value, that is of some importance. Otherwise you wouldn't bother defending it, would you?ok cool. and to justify your feeling of significance here is a picture of you taken from a veeeeeerrrrrry long way away
Kranswurm Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Hang on, there. You're assuming your opinion is worth responding to, but in the grand scheme of things, your opinion being part of the earth is also small fry, right? What I see from all you guys is basically that any point of view that differs from your own must be seen as part of a small speck of dust, yet the things you value, that is of some importance. Otherwise you wouldn't bother defending it, would you?You are stuffing up a good thread....and why is anyone even debating the issue ? fanievb, 428 others, geomark and 3 others 6
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