Team 360Life Suspension: David George busted

[TimW]

Hi there

 

I'm not that specifically referring to DG here, More the process, the actual lack of proof, that he was guilty at the time of racing.

 

G

 

There is 100% proof that he doped on August 29. As I understand things, the weekend before (SA Champs) he was 2nd at SA champs (dropped by Max Knox) so that result stands as there was no proof at that time he used dope. The next weekend (Trans Cedardburg I think) he dropped the bunch and rode for 75km by himself to hold off a group of chasers (albeit, barring Kevin Evans, not the strongest field but still good riders).

 

The effects of EPO last a lot longer than the 6-12 hours you can still be tested positive (it is not a short-term stimulant that gives you a quick fix).

 

According the the rules, if you test positive you immediately suspended from the date of positive test. He has admitted guilt so I presume will get a two-year suspension from August 29.

 

So, according to the rules, his SA champs result should stand unless fiorther prood is offered that he was doping before August 29. But as for Trans Cedarburg, Hill 2 Hill, Pioneer Trek and any other races after August 29 his results will be taken out of that. It has nothing to do with "the actual lack of proof, that he was guilty at the time of racing" -- he cheated on August 29 so is deemed to be suspended from that date.

 

All of the above is my understanding of the situation, but if anybody has better info...

 

As for Kevin E being so quiet ... silence is not a proof of guilt and in his case I am certain he has been told not to say anything by sponsors / advisors. I personally cannot understand how he would suspected something was up, but does anybody have any proof that he knew. While him and DG were close and sharing rooms at races, they did live in different cities and you do not have to take EPO the night before a race, so it is very possible that DG took the stuff only while at home when KE was not there.

[scotty]

I can understand KE reluctance to comment but its only a matter of time before he will be forced to. He and DG appeared to be were very close so it cant be easy for him.

[Mellow]

I can understand KE reluctance to comment but its only a matter of time before he will be forced to. He and DG appeared to be were very close so it cant be easy for him.

One of two things. DG either lied to KE or KE knew. There is no doubt that they would have discussed PED's and doping.

[GLuvsMtb]

Brandon Els ‏@TheOldCootBiker

For anybody wondering @kevinevansracin cannot make any public statement until permitted by Nedbank.

Yip - him starting to make statements would be professional suicide at this stage. First settle the matter of the suspended sponsorship and the way forward and then make statements to shut the peanut gallery up. He may also first want to chat to CSA and Institute for Drug free sport on whether he is also under suspicion and whether any action from his side would be required.

[awesme]

Hi there

 

Ok, was not aware of the automatic suspension for 2 years after positive test. understand, the post positive test forfeit of race results now, thanks.

 

G

 

There is 100% proof that he doped on August 29. As I understand things, the weekend before (SA Champs) he was 2nd at SA champs (dropped by Max Knox) so that result stands as there was no proof at that time he used dope. The next weekend (Trans Cedardburg I think) he dropped the bunch and rode for 75km by himself to hold off a group of chasers (albeit, barring Kevin Evans, not the strongest field but still good riders).

 

The effects of EPO last a lot longer than the 6-12 hours you can still be tested positive (it is not a short-term stimulant that gives you a quick fix).

 

According the the rules, if you test positive you immediately suspended from the date of positive test. He has admitted guilt so I presume will get a two-year suspension from August 29.

 

So, according to the rules, his SA champs result should stand unless fiorther prood is offered that he was doping before August 29. But as for Trans Cedarburg, Hill 2 Hill, Pioneer Trek and any other races after August 29 his results will be taken out of that. It has nothing to do with "the actual lack of proof, that he was guilty at the time of racing" -- he cheated on August 29 so is deemed to be suspended from that date.

 

All of the above is my understanding of the situation, but if anybody has better info...

 

As for Kevin E being so quiet ... silence is not a proof of guilt and in his case I am certain he has been told not to say anything by sponsors / advisors. I personally cannot understand how he would suspected something was up, but does anybody have any proof that he knew. While him and DG were close and sharing rooms at races, they did live in different cities and you do not have to take EPO the night before a race, so it is very possible that DG took the stuff only while at home when KE was not there.

[awesme]

Dave Macready from Nedbank comments on DG ...

 

 

G

[Trubie]

To a lot of people what DG did will have no effect on their lives. But when you are in a situation competing with guys on dope its a different story.

 

I competed and personally saw evidence of a doping incident where a teamate had lost a tour becuase the the 2 guys who beat him on a crucial stage were both tested positive. And yes SACF swept it under the carpet. This was told to the guy in my presence by the tour doctor who had run the tests.

 

This same rider then dope on the tour that I am riding with him as a teammate. Before this incident I literally pulled him over the hills. 2 days later he is winning Kinfg of the Mountains and is a hero. I was just a teammate in the bunch. he admiited to doping to me after the tour. So yes, you start asking questions whether the only way to also compete is to take dope. So has a major effect on your outlook and you potential career.

 

In that same tour, a bunch of guys were caught positive in the breakaway. Guess what, SACF swept it under the carpet again becuase it was all the top names in SA cycling. I can tell you though, if it was a lesser rider he would be banned. Just how the politics work.

 

So this is why so many people pissed off with the dopers. it does effect many of us, or has. And if it doesn't we can relate to thos it does effect. Never mind the tarnishing of images and loss of income through sponsorships for other riders who aren't doping. Like Nedban and Neotel pulling out of the sport. Now that's effecting a lot more careers and salaries than the 1 doper that gets caught and punished.

 

how long ago was this?

[rudi-h]

DG is really a tjop.

 

I remember when they won the "queen stage" of the Cape Pioneer Trek with the R100000 prize money, he said something along the lines of: Great for the organizers to come up with the prize money, but its still peanuts to what other sportsmen earn...

 

To be unthankful for a huge stage purse while you're on EPO does not show much character.

[Tubeless]

Wow, thats a *** comment.

[kosmonooit]

Cape Pioneer Trek to strip George of results, prizes

[ReCycle-D]

One disappointment after another. I am out on my bike every day and frequently see David Training by himself, i looked up to him as i was really convinced that his success was due to hard work and dedication. It is very off putting for me as a young rider to aspire to be the best, when the best are constantly cheating. Til i can learn to respect these guys again, i will continue my own lonely trail toward greatness!!

[Mellow]

Wow, thats a *** comment.

Yes, and its true.

 

One really has to have very few options if you decide to become a pro athlete.

[Karooryder]

DG is really a tjop.

 

I remember when they won the "queen stage" of the Cape Pioneer Trek with the R100000 prize money, he said something along the lines of: Great for the organizers to come up with the prize money, but its still peanuts to what other sportsmen earn...

 

To be unthankful for a huge stage purse while you're on EPO does not show much character.

 

I think we have by now established that DG might have many things, but character is not one of them...

[jcza]

The pros must get their house in order - they are a select group and very lucky to be able to do what they love on a full time basis.

 

Think about the big MTB events - 3,000 for a single day event and there is probably 20 - 30 of them riding professionally. What happens if we kick them out? I don't think much will change, the events will continue to grow. Let the corporates pour money into the events until such time as the pros get themselves sorted out.

 

I didn't even mention road races but there the numbers are staggering if you think of the Argus!

[Jakkals.]

On the contrary, I think that the consequences of this reach far beyond the top level, ultimately cyphering down to participation at all levels of sport.

 

Cycling is the fastest growing participation sport in the world and along with this it has become irrationally competitive at all levels. To reiterate pervious comments by Anton, Rouxtjie, Showtime and Dangle; these days even at the smallest races in Gat-sonder-rand you not only compete against strong legs but oversized egos, driven by their local club “racing team” who scrutinize Racetec results on a Monday as if it were the JSE.

 

I suspect that you would be unpleasantly surprized by the amount of amateur riders lining up next to you at 94.7 who are on EPO or some kind of performance enhancing juice….Just a thought.

 

i bought a tub of whey protein last month, with that i got a free sample of 3DT, which clearly indicates that it does that it contains ingredients(or whatever) that are on the WADA banned list.

 

so my question is. Why are these manufacturers' allowed to sell or even manufacture these products?

[HappyMartin]

 

Yip - him starting to make statements would be professional suicide at this stage. First settle the matter of the suspended sponsorship and the way forward and then make statements to shut the peanut gallery up. He may also first want to chat to CSA and Institute for Drug free sport on whether he is also under suspicion and whether any action from his side would be required.

 

It's not a peanut gallery. It's the target market of his sponsors. It s not a peanut gallery. It is his supporters. It is not a peanut gallery. It is kids that look up to him as a role model.