Harryn Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 After reading all the posts a number of snotty comments are just sitting on the end of my tongue. As this is the hub maybe I should be a bit of a cat and let rip: Firstly, you bought a genuine replica fake, or something like that. What you wanted was something that was like good, awesome, and would make you feel good. Which it did until you realised that it was neither genuine or a genuine replica ridden by some European pro cyclist. Now you are miffed. You feel cheated because it is a different bike, not because it was a worse bike. You assume that the bike is worse because Pinarello says it is not a Pinarello, not because you have cycled the real thing and felt the difference. On this point it seems that you were easily parted with your money (goed koop is duur koop). As an analogy you went to a dodgy VW dealer to buy a BMW, and when realising you were sold a corsa you are the blixim in. It seems that in parting with almost 90k on a bike you were less prepared than when you go buying earl grey tea. It seems as if you were a willing victim of kakonomics, where suddenly you are aggrieved to realise that a non-registered (pinarello) dealer bike shop just doesn't suddenly sell Pinarello dogma's. I mean few people suddenly wake up in the morning and decide to buy a dogma, it is a dream bike, like a designer item, top of the brand the rolex of cycling, the rolls Royce of two wheels ext. To buy a dogma should entail working through the registered dealer and agent. You don't just buy a dogma. BUT you did..... Also, as the Dogma is "the" bike, Pinarello and ASG should make more effort to sort this thing out. It is their good brand name that is being eroded. Image how much business (and helicopter flips) ASG is losing by Cycle Sciences little sideline? How can cycling a dogma be a status symbol when ever township boy is one a dagma look alike. What is the bumptious of that? Status must cost money and Cycle Science is eroding the entire edifice of the cycling pyramid. Next thing people will start winning races on Raleigh's. Finally, you can take the loss as your instalment on your further education in cycling or chose to call your lawyers who will then call cycle sciences lawyers (who will then spend the money you gave them) to sort it all out and that would cost you the same. Anyway, after all that cat-I-ness, I do feel sorry for you, partly because I was taken for a ride by a bike shop when I bought my first road bike. The guy sold me a bike that was 5cm too big. It was hell riding it and I had to buy a new frame shortly afterwards. But Karma is a b!tch and it turns out his wife preferred his bike mechanic in the hay....... catty and harsh. And ludicrous. Why would you assign blame to the OP who is the victim of a fraud? Why would you seek to defend the quality of the Chinarello? Do you own one? Hairy, Katy, slowpoke and 8 others 11
TheV Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Something gives me the feeling there is another side and/or additional or undisclosed aspects to this story. Amazingly, these types of Rants are so often started by new virgin OP accounts. Someone who had a Pina for 10+ years, buys a DOGMA, pays for TWO in a matter of months, first activity on thehub is a rant about how he got screwed. Secondly, the OP keeps on about "wide spread frame failures" of un-branded bikes. Which really has nothing to do with the fact that the bike is a fake. The emphasis on this aspect just makes me wonder what the the real story is.... The Op seems to act totally naive on one aspect, but on the other hand claims to have knowledge of mass failure of un branded frames? Also, the watches analogy makes no sense, because nothing gets more knocked off than a Rolex, and I'm certainly not going to shop for a Rolex at my friendly grocer. No matter how much I want to support my "local" grocer. This Op is the savior of every LBS. Not wanting to heckle pricing.... Really now? And somehow, some 50 y.o international jet setter with enough liquid cash monies for 2x Dogmas at " Retail " gets ripped off at this scale just smells funny to ME? Edited March 31, 2014 by TheV NeoOne, Meezo, Edition 507 and 5 others 8
Maxrider Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 After reading all the posts a number of snotty comments are just sitting on the end of my tongue. As this is the hub maybe I should be a bit of a cat and let rip: Firstly, you bought a genuine replica fake, or something like that. What you wanted was something that was like good, awesome, and would make you feel good. Which it did until you realised that it was neither genuine or a genuine replica ridden by some European pro cyclist. Now you are miffed. You feel cheated because it is a different bike, not because it was a worse bike. You assume that the bike is worse because Pinarello says it is not a Pinarello, not because you have cycled the real thing and felt the difference. On this point it seems that you were easily parted with your money (goed koop is duur koop). As an analogy you went to a dodgy VW dealer to buy a BMW, and when realising you were sold a corsa you are the blixim in. It seems that in parting with almost 90k on a bike you were less prepared than when you go buying earl grey tea. It seems as if you were a willing victim of kakonomics, where suddenly you are aggrieved to realise that a non-registered (pinarello) dealer bike shop just doesn't suddenly sell Pinarello dogma's. I mean few people suddenly wake up in the morning and decide to buy a dogma, it is a dream bike, like a designer item, top of the brand the rolex of cycling, the rolls Royce of two wheels ext. To buy a dogma should entail working through the registered dealer and agent. You don't just buy a dogma. BUT you did..... Also, as the Dogma is "the" bike, Pinarello and ASG should make more effort to sort this thing out. It is their good brand name that is being eroded. Image how much business (and helicopter flips) ASG is losing by Cycle Sciences little sideline? How can cycling a dogma be a status symbol when ever township boy is one a dagma look alike. What is the bumptious of that? Status must cost money and Cycle Science is eroding the entire edifice of the cycling pyramid. Next thing people will start winning races on Raleigh's. Finally, you can take the loss as your instalment on your further education in cycling or chose to call your lawyers who will then call cycle sciences lawyers (who will then spend the money you gave them) to sort it all out and that would cost you the same. Anyway, after all that cat-I-ness, I do feel sorry for you, partly because I was taken for a ride by a bike shop when I bought my first road bike. The guy sold me a bike that was 5cm too big. It was hell riding it and I had to buy a new frame shortly afterwards. But Karma is a b!tch and it turns out his wife preferred his bike mechanic in the hay....... Congratulations, you wrote the longest reply and the worst one!! (a bit like the bike in question) danielecafiso, YUMEYA, kingalton and 8 others 11
Cellar Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Also, the watches analogy makes no sense, because nothing gets more knocked off than a Rolex, and I'm certainly not going to shop for a Rolex at my friendly grocer. No matter how much I want to support my "local" grocer. This Op is the savior of every LBS. Not wanting to heckle pricing.... Really now? As an aside, I feel really left out. I have never seen a fake rolex. Come to think of it, never seen a real one either. Edited March 31, 2014 by Cellar HeyYou, NeillUngerer, Hilton. and 5 others 8
TheV Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 As an aside, I feel really left out. I have ever seen a fake rolex. Come to think of it, never seen a real one either. Lol
kingalton Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Congratulations, you wrote the longest reply and the worst one!! (a bit like the bike in question)Agree, the OP got duped! If I got duped and was "happy" until I found out about being duped, it doesn't mean I must stay happy with the situation.. I would do everything in my power to destroy them. Must I contact the distributors each time I buy a bike to ensure it's not fake? No, you trust the shop you buy from! Sense, go look it up in Wikipedia! danielecafiso, Maxrider and slowpoke 3
Harryn Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Something gives me the feeling there is another side and/or additional or undisclosed aspects to this story. Amazingly, these types of Rants are so often started by new virgin OP accounts. Someone who had a Pina for 10+ years, buys a DOGMA, pays for TWO in a matter of months, first activity on thehub is a rant about how he got screwed. Secondly, the OP keeps on about "wide spread frame failures" of un-branded bikes. Which really has nothing to do with the fact that the bike is a fake. The emphasis on this aspect just makes me wonder what the the real story is.... The Op seems to act totally naive on one aspect, but on the other hand claims to have knowledge of mass failure of un branded frames? Also, the watches analogy makes no sense, because nothing gets more knocked off than a Rolex, and I'm certainly not going to shop for a Rolex at my friendly grocer. No matter how much I want to support my "local" grocer. This Op is the savior of every LBS. Not wanting to heckle pricing.... Really now? And somehow, some 50 y.o international jet setter with enough liquid cash monies for 2x Dogmas at " Retail " gets ripped off at this scale just smells funny to ME? The rationale for this post relies on pure conjecture. You are just sucking facts from nowhere. Where did the OP say he owned a Pinarello for 10 years? Obviously, he did research after he found out that he got ripped a new one by the supplier, which is when he discovered the risk of frame failure, which I would venture to suggest is somewhat greater than with the genuine article. Ie - he discovered this after the fact. The OP's analogy to rolex merely demonstrates that he thought that by buying a bicycle from a reputable LBS , he would be excluding the risk of being passed off with a counterfeit. There is merit in this analogy - no? Ok, so its his first post. Lets fry him for that, this being the hub and all. Velo Racer, Andrew Steer, Marge and 3 others 6
TheV Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) The rationale for this post relies on pure conjecture. You are just sucking facts from nowhere. Where did the OP say he owned a Pinarello for 10 years? Obviously, he did research after he found out that he got ripped a new one by the supplier, which is when he discovered the risk of frame failure, which I would venture to suggest is somewhat greater than with the genuine article. Ie - he discovered this after the fact. The OP's analogy to rolex merely demonstrates that he thought that by buying a bicycle from a reputable LBS , he would be excluding the risk of being passed off with a counterfeit. There is merit in this analogy - no? Ok, so its his first post. Lets fry him for that, this being the hub and all. Read all the posts. No conjecture here. All my points are straight from his posts. Bought two bikes, wanted to support LBS, didn't ask about price, etc. , it was his 50th bday, he came back from Overseas, makes multiple references about unbranded frames... Laa dee daaa cry me a river. Read all the posts before you label me a conjecturist and/or a flame'st... haha I put it to you Edited March 31, 2014 by TheV
TheV Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Maybe the OP didn't ask for a REAL - DOGMA? Maybe he expected a fire pool, and only later realized he was duped when he came back from overseas and he saw he actually got a swimming pool. Little Fish, jules1976, Goblin and 5 others 8
Cellar Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Read all the posts. No conjecture here. All my points are straight from his posts. Bought two bikes, wanted to support LBS, didn't ask about price, etc. , it was his 50th bday, he came back from Overseas, makes multiple references about unbranded frames... Laa dee daaa cry me a river. Read all the posts before you label me a conjecturist and/or a flame'st... haha I put it to you I'll play. I put it to you that he bought a bike, discovered it was a fake, did some research, found it unsafe to ride and bought another bike. I did read the posts. Did you? Marge, danielecafiso, Ramrod and 6 others 9
rock Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 The rationale for this post relies on pure conjecture. You are just sucking facts from nowhere. Where did the OP say he owned a Pinarello for 10 years? page 4, post #56.....well he mentioned a 10 year old Pina......
kingalton Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Maybe the OP didn't ask for a REAL - DOGMA? Maybe he expected a fire pool, and only later realized he was duped when he came back from overseas and he saw he actually got a swimming pool.I can't see anyone paying the price he did without thinking it was legit? r0adrunner and Randall7 2
Cellar Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Maybe the OP didn't ask for a REAL - DOGMA? Maybe he expected a fire pool, and only later realized he was duped when he came back from overseas and he saw he actually got a swimming pool. So, in your world, when you go to a VW dealer to by a car, are you sure to ask them that they sell you a real polo blue motion? As opposed to a fake one? Marge, Vangar and danielecafiso 3
rock Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 something doesn't ad up here....... no calves, TheV and Meezo 3
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