Shebeen Posted October 9, 2014 Share and ja, I miss JB. He managed to really ruk the ring out of warthogs mailing list a few years back(don't know how he got onto a tokai based mtb group in the first place).....he managed to turn a wheel discussion into a religious debate. but ja, i miss JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 9, 2014 Share a) That comeback for example was moer funny without getting the author involved. (It made me chuckle anyway...) b) SwissVan reasoning. Look,JB's online personality pissed me off sometimes and contribute very valuable advice (to me) other times. I spend 2 days with him 6 years ago and his offline personalty was great. I will repeat the experience any day. But for discussion the book - is not important if you like or dislike the author's personality. Play the ball and not the man. I get that. We've all posted something online that's wrong. Humility is the ability and grace to acknowledge it, and engage further to learn something. When someone - a lecturer, a boss, an editor, a mechanic, etc - shows a complete inability to do this, I am unlikely to endorse their views on much. Fact is, much as it's important to play the ball not the man, that Johan dismissed most dissenting views on this forum by doing just that: playing the man with snide remarks, condescending put-downs and dismissive posts. Would I buy the book, read it, and possibly give it the benefit of the doubt? No. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, Stretch, Rudi Pollard and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straatvark Posted October 9, 2014 Share I get that. We've all posted something online that's wrong. Humility is the ability and grace to acknowledge it, and engage further to learn something. When someone - a lecturer, a boss, an editor, a mechanic, etc - shows a complete inability to do this, I am unlikely to endorse their views on much. Fact is, much as it's important to play the ball not the man, that Johan dismissed most dissenting views on this forum by doing just that: playing the man with snide remarks, condescending put-downs and dismissive posts. Would I buy the book, read it, and possibly give it the benefit of the doubt? No. And you are 100% right on the evaluation of JB's online personality. (I only found the Morewood/Momsen foot in mouth comment(s) from him when searching him before posting the book - found it rude & the 'sorry' a bit...short.) But if you not intending to read any book of JB, don't like snide remarks & like engaging to learn more - then surely there is not a lot happening for you in this thread? SwissVan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted October 9, 2014 Share btw a quick google search and i found the pdf of this. it's a 9pager deanbean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted October 9, 2014 Share you cannot separate the person and the book...its how famous people sell books...and he's famous from being a know it all condescending <insert whatever you want here>...so like it or not thats the way its going to roll. As for the book..our friend Rouxtjie said it earlier....chains are not complicated - what needs to be said can be said in 2 pages and easily found off the internet...as per the link I posted earlier rouxtjie and Tumbleweed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted October 9, 2014 Share And you are 100% right on the evaluation of JB's online personality. (I only found the Morewood/Momsen foot in mouth comment(s) from him when searching him before posting the book - found it rude & the 'sorry' a bit...short.) But if you not intending to read any book of JB, don't like snide remarks & like engaging to learn more - then surely there is not a lot happening for you in this thread?There are many people who know a lot about bicycles and they don't add "mysticism" to it.I think South Africans are easily impressed with big words and huge explanations around something very simple. Skinnyone, Tumbleweed and Rudi Pollard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 9, 2014 Share And you are 100% right on the evaluation of JB's online personality. (I only found the Morewood/Momsen foot in mouth comment(s) from him when searching him before posting the book - found it rude & the 'sorry' a bit...short.) But if you not intending to read any book of JB, don't like snide remarks & like engaging to learn more - then surely there is not a lot happening for you in this thread? Yes and no. The Momsen was only one of many examples. "Opinions" stated as "facts" here would make me doubt the credibility of the author and, thus, the validity of a tome about a subject he may not be qualified to speak about. Wyatt Earp and Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted October 9, 2014 Share There are many people who know a lot about bicycles and they don't add "mysticism" to it.I think South Africans are easily impressed with big words and huge explanations around something very simple. Wyatt, I hope you don't mind me using this as an example...straatvark, Wyatt and I have butted heads many times on this forum on many issues - as I have with JB too. But, I have never had any reason to doubt his technical nous when it comes to bikes. Basically, the dude knows his stuff. He doesn't strut it, doesn't posit himself as a self-proclaimed guru. Just lets his work and rep do the talking. Sometimes Wyatt and I get on, sometimes we don't. But I would never hesitate to recommend him should someone ask for a bike shop in his area. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, TALUS, jaxtun and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 9, 2014 Share Lesson for today: If you act like a knob people would rather not do business with you. fanievb, Brian Fantana, Wayne Potgieter and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmonooit Posted October 9, 2014 Share http://youtu.be/CK3uf5V0pDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted October 9, 2014 Share you cannot separate the person and the book...its how famous people sell books...and he's famous from being a know it all condescending <insert whatever you want here>...so like it or not thats the way its going to roll. As for the book..our friend Rouxtjie said it earlier....chains are not complicated - what needs to be said can be said in 2 pages and easily found off the internet...as per the link I posted earlierI've solved the riddle... a quick look at the book and you will see it's actually the foreword (that he wrote) and his palmarès that take up the first 86 pages 5 pages is just about right actually Okay, enough trolling from me eddy, V12man, Tumbleweed and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted October 9, 2014 Share And you are 100% right on the evaluation of JB's online personality. (I only found the Morewood/Momsen foot in mouth comment(s) from him when searching him before posting the book - found it rude & the 'sorry' a bit...short.) But if you not intending to read any book of JB, don't like snide remarks & like engaging to learn more - then surely there is not a lot happening for you in this thread? So i took some time to have a look at the preview, because I'm also wondering how someone writes 91 pages on bicycle chains. Its definetly a lot more in depth (as the title suggests) than just about basic chain maintenance.Maybe to in depth for me, but for a few dollars..... I hope JB forgives me for posting these screen shots of his book and highlighting what indicates its more than just a simple chain maintenance guide, hence +/- 91 pages For the price $4.86 if i had a kindle i would consider it a bargain, just in case i ever got into a serious argument about biycycle chains and needed to find out some stuff.... Edited October 9, 2014 by SwissVan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryn Posted October 9, 2014 Share Wyatt, I hope you don't mind me using this as an example...straatvark, Wyatt and I have butted heads many times on this forum on many issues - as I have with JB too. But, I have never had any reason to doubt his technical nous when it comes to bikes. Basically, the dude knows his stuff. He doesn't strut it, doesn't posit himself as a self-proclaimed guru. Just lets his work and rep do the talking. Sometimes Wyatt and I get on, sometimes we don't. But I would never hesitate to recommend him should someone ask for a bike shop in his area.I just don't get your fancy journo speak. Please could you encapsulate what you are trying to say in a cartoon which is not an illustration. Also, make it non digital, and while you are about it lose the satire. Good luck with your entry! Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, Wayne Potgieter and Tumbleweed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted October 9, 2014 Share So i took some time to have a look at the preview, because I'm also wondering how someone writes 91 pages on bicycle chains. Its definetly a lot more in depth (as the title suggests) than just about basic chain maintenance.Maybe to in depth for me, but for a few dollars I hope JB forgives me for posting these screen shots of his book and highlighting what indicates its more than just a simple chain maintenance guide, hence +/- 91 pages For the price $4.86 if i had a kindle i would consider it a bargain, just in case i ever got into a serious argument about biycycle chains and needed to find out some stuff.... 2014-10-09_1116_001.png 2014-10-09_1114.pngAlo good, but the majority will be backed up with "scientific" facts and personal opinions with the aim to dispel some supposed myths.In the end of the day, maybe an attempt to make a breakthrough as the next Sheldon. rouxtjie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straatvark Posted October 9, 2014 Share There are many people who know a lot about bicycles and they don't add "mysticism" to it.I think South Africans are easily impressed with big words and huge explanations around something very simple.I agree on the mysticism, big words etc - but its easy to filter such white noise out without getting agitated. Only keep what is useful to you. Hugh explanations has its place though .... Momentum, like chains is also simple and all that you need to know to survive is that trains is not afraid of cars and cars is not afraid of bicycles. - still there is loads of info/maths available on it that is interesting for some people to read/understand, (Even though it change nothing on how they use it in everyday life. It is also fair game to poke fun with them.) Yes and no. The Momsen was only one of many examples. "Opinions" stated as "facts" here would make me doubt the credibility of the author and, thus, the validity of a tome about a subject he may not be qualified to speak about.So it's your opinion that JB is not qualified to speak about something as simple as a chain Wyatt, I hope you don't mind me using this as an example...straatvark, Wyatt and I have butted heads many times on this forum on many issues - as I have with JB too. But, I have never had any reason to doubt his technical nous when it comes to bikes. Basically, the dude knows his stuff. He doesn't strut it, doesn't posit himself as a self-proclaimed guru. Just lets his work and rep do the talking. Sometimes Wyatt and I get on, sometimes we don't. But I would never hesitate to recommend him should someone ask for a bike shop in his area.Couldn't said it better myself James Mulholland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted October 9, 2014 Share The old nipple rip springs to mind. Wyatt Earp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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