Jewbacca Posted June 19, 2019 Share hahahaha it's a far cry from 180 minutes, especially in terms of training and discipline. Going 3:40 only involves 'some' speed work and uncomfortable training. But I suppose it's all relative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted June 19, 2019 Share It's also relevant to suggest that they don't know what to test for. A lot of EPO dopers were caught after the fact, once they knew to test for it. I'm almost certain guys are developing all sorts of methods that our doping agencies don't know how to detect yet. I'm going as far as suggesting soon we will be dealing with genetically modified athletes.......It is often not a case of not knowing what to test for, but rather not having the funding to test for a broad range of substances. They tend to test for specific metabolites, some (relevant) substances, and masking agents Jewbacca and Andrew Steer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted June 19, 2019 Share It is often not a case of not knowing what to test for, but rather not having the funding to test for a broad range of substances. They tend to test for specific metabolites, some (relevant) substances, and masking agentsThis is my point. While they are focused on the current batch of drugs, people are developing other methods of cheating/enhancing which aren't being tested for. As the knowledge and (most importantly) 'accurate' and 'reliable' tests can be widened, more people will be caught and more will be caught long after their time, as in many of the 90's cyclists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted June 19, 2019 Share I think it would also be naive to think that Bruce and the boys back in the day weren't doping either......... OH NO YOU DIDN'T...... Stretch, Chris_, Andrew Steer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacc Posted June 19, 2019 Share I dunno... I'm not sold on Comrades. The carrot is there as an achievement and bucket list race due to it's history and status locally, but that said, I would rather run Puffer or a 100miler. The views and the places you will get to/see/experience have more allure for the same amount of training. I'm not a roadie though, so I am immediately drawn towards races that tick those boxes. 1 x qualifier and 2 Oceans are the extent of my annual road running calendar! Go stand at the finish of Comrades and support the guys coming in between 11 and 12 hours....You won't experience that overwhelming feeling of achievement anywhere else in the world.I cried my eyes out this year to see the runners with so much emotion on their faces. That will convince absolutely anyone to enter Comrades... Andrew Steer, Akon, Lexx and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted June 19, 2019 Share It is often not a case of not knowing what to test for, but rather not having the funding to test for a broad range of substances. They tend to test for specific metabolites, some (relevant) substances, and masking agents Funding issues aside, I often used to say (halfheartedly tongue-in-cheek) about pro-cycling - that its not the team with necessarily the best riders that win, its the one with the best doctor. Keeping one step ahead and knowing how and when to test is unfortunately a big part of all sports. Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacc Posted June 19, 2019 Share It is up online... still in production though, so will only start getting sent out around the 28th of this month http://weardirect.co.za/shop/running/vizi-ultra-longsleeve-shirt-men/Just had to buy one, thanks Andrew Andrew Steer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted June 19, 2019 Share That's True. Charl Mattheus was stripped of his medal.Got taking cough mixture if I recall Kof kof.... Lexx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave303e Posted June 19, 2019 Share Go stand at the finish of Comrades and support the guys coming in between 11 and 12 hours....You won't experience that overwhelming feeling of achievement anywhere else in the world.I cried my eyes out this year to see the runners with so much emotion on their faces. That will convince absolutely anyone to enter Comrades... I dare you to manage the finish line of an Expedition Adventure race.... When a team comes in after 5 days, at like 3am. Only to be greeted by their family and one or two officials. Then you will see emotion. Andrew Steer, candz1 and Jewbacca 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeekendWarrior80 Posted June 19, 2019 Share https://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/runner-dies-a-day-after-completing-comrades-20190619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted June 19, 2019 Share I dare you to manage the finish line of an Expedition Adventure race.... When a team comes in after 5 days, at like 3am. Only to be greeted by their family and one or two officials. Then you will see emotion.Yup... I've been at the finish line when my brother in law finished his 100 miler.... Massive emotion from all involved at 11 pm at night with just a handful of people there to welcome him home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted June 19, 2019 Share Go stand at the finish of Comrades and support the guys coming in between 11 and 12 hours....You won't experience that overwhelming feeling of achievement anywhere else in the world.I cried my eyes out this year to see the runners with so much emotion on their faces. That will convince absolutely anyone to enter Comrades...I've been there for that and while I appreciate the emotion, it still hasn't convinced me to enter. I've also been at the end of a 150 hour non stop race and seen elite athletes ball their eyes out is sheer desperation and overwhelming relief at seeing the finish line with none of the fanfare. I grew up around running races with my mom being a catagory and overall winner of several marathons and Oceans etc and my Uncle having stood on the overall podium at Comrades a few times many many years ago. Maybe with my mom having moved us away from Durbs to Cape Town as a kid, I missed out on feeling affiliated to the race. Dunno.... I still want to do it but 'next year' seems to be my mantra. I will do UTD 100 miler before I do Comrades. dave303e and Odinson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted June 19, 2019 Share I dare you to manage the finish line of an Expedition Adventure race.... When a team comes in after 5 days, at like 3am. Only to be greeted by their family and one or two officials. Then you will see emotion. No doubt an amazing scene, but also an entirely different animal. Pieter-za 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted June 19, 2019 Share #humblebrag Like that one kid in class that always claimed to not have studied a thing, but then gets a 100% on the exam. Chris_ and Jewbacca 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted June 19, 2019 Share #humblebrag Like that one kid in class that always claimed to not have studied a thing, but then gets a 100% on the exam. hahahahaha Compared to some of the whippets on this forum that is Donkey/Slug pace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted June 19, 2019 Share This is my point. While they are focused on the current batch of drugs, people are developing other methods of cheating/enhancing which aren't being tested for. As the knowledge and (most importantly) 'accurate' and 'reliable' tests can be widened, more people will be caught and more will be caught long after their time, as in many of the 90's cyclists.Although I do agree, to an extent, that testing will always lag behind new drugs; it is often not the issue. In ZA, there are well known drugs that SAIDS and WADA simply don’t test for, as its too expensive. At least in some local cycling circles, this is known and discussed. So if one wants to dope, do so with substances that are too expensive to run in random tests. For athletes with a passport, its somewhat of a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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