Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[Chris_]

Brigid Kosgei take a bow - 64:28, new 21km world record

 

Madness.

[Barry Stuart]

Brigid Kosgei take a bow - 64:28, new 21km world record

 

Madness.

 

Does it stand, given that it's a point to point route?

[Chris_]

Does it stand, given that it's a point to point route?

 

I've read both 'fastest ever', and 'breaks world half marathon record'.

 

There are so many record variations. Need to give the scribes a while to update the record books.

 

(No doubt theres someone whos run faster on a treadmill, down a mineshift, etc so who knows.)

[Andrew Steer]

I've read both 'fastest ever', and 'breaks world half marathon record'.

 

There are so many record variations. Need to give the scribes a while to update the record books.

 

(No doubt theres someone whos run faster on a treadmill, down a mineshift, etc so who knows.)

Finally found my calling 

[Ferret69]

Does it stand, given that it's a point to point route?

 

Point to Point is not the issue with races not being ratified.

 

Its often more the drop in elevation or the distance from start to finish as the crow flies

 

Although looking at Yesterdays course Map attached the start and finish must be very close to "more " than 50% course distance. Rule B... Pretty sure they know what they doing though..

 

 

 

See IAAF rules below

 

IAAF Rule 260.28

 

The IAAF now recognises World Records in road races for thefollowing distances: 10km; 15km; 20km; Half Marathon; 25km;30km; Marathon (42.195km); 100km; Road Relay (Marathon distance only). IAAF Rule 260 states that the following criteria with regard to the course must be complied with in order for a World Road Record to be ratified:

a.The course must be measured by one or more “A” or “B” grade IAAF/AIMS approved measurers.

b.The start and finish points of a course, measured a long a theoretical straight line between them, shall not be further apart than 50% of the race distance.

c.The overall decrease in elevation between the start and finish shall not exceed 1:1000, i.e. 1m per km (0.1%).

d.Any course measurer who originally measured the course or another “A” or “B” grade measurer in possession of the complete measurement data and maps must validate that the course measured was the course run, normally by riding in the lead vehicle.

e.The course must be verified (i.e. re-measured) as late as possible before the race, on the day of the race or as soon as practical after the race, preferably by a different “A” grade measurer from any of those who did the original measurement.

Note: If the course was originally measured by at least two “A” grade or one “A” and one “B” grade measurers, and at least one of them is present at the race to validate the course as per Rule 260.28(d), no verification (re-measurement) under this Rule 260.28(e) will be required.

f.World Records in Road Running Events set at intermediate distances within a race must comply with the conditions set under Rule 260. The intermediate distances must have been measured and marked during the course measurement and must have been verified in accordance with Rule 260.28(e).

g. For the Road Relay, the race shall be run in stages of5km, 10km, 5km, 10km, 5km, 7.195km. The stages must have been measured and marked during the course measurement with a tolerance of ± 1% of the stage distance and must have been verified in accordance with Rule 260.28(e).

[Chris_]

From the Great North Run wiki page - 

 

'The 1992 edition of the race incorporated the 1st IAAF World Half Marathon Championships.'

 

So surely it fits their requirements, otherwise that seems a little silly to hold their race on that course. 

 

Interesting to see the rules though.

[shaper]

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[dave303e]

So you can a marathon that breaks 2 of those rules but still counts as a qualifier for comrades, but a Sky Marathon on trail won't

 

Point to Point is not the issue with races not being ratified.

Its often more the drop in elevation or the distance from start to finish as the crow flies

Although looking at Yesterdays course Map attached the start and finish must be very close to "more " than 50% course distance. Rule B... Pretty sure they know what they doing though..



See IAAF rules below

IAAF Rule 260.28

The IAAF now recognises World Records in road races for thefollowing distances: 10km; 15km; 20km; Half Marathon; 25km;30km; Marathon (42.195km); 100km; Road Relay (Marathon distance only). IAAF Rule 260 states that the following criteria with regard to the course must be complied with in order for a World Road Record to be ratified:
a.The course must be measured by one or more “A” or “B” grade IAAF/AIMS approved measurers.
b.The start and finish points of a course, measured a long a theoretical straight line between them, shall not be further apart than 50% of the race distance.
c.The overall decrease in elevation between the start and finish shall not exceed 1:1000, i.e. 1m per km (0.1%).
d.Any course measurer who originally measured the course or another “A” or “B” grade measurer in possession of the complete measurement data and maps must validate that the course measured was the course run, normally by riding in the lead vehicle.
e.The course must be verified (i.e. re-measured) as late as possible before the race, on the day of the race or as soon as practical after the race, preferably by a different “A” grade measurer from any of those who did the original measurement.
Note: If the course was originally measured by at least two “A” grade or one “A” and one “B” grade measurers, and at least one of them is present at the race to validate the course as per Rule 260.28(d), no verification (re-measurement) under this Rule 260.28(e) will be required.
f.World Records in Road Running Events set at intermediate distances within a race must comply with the conditions set under Rule 260. The intermediate distances must have been measured and marked during the course measurement and must have been verified in accordance with Rule 260.28(e).
g. For the Road Relay, the race shall be run in stages of5km, 10km, 5km, 10km, 5km, 7.195km. The stages must have been measured and marked during the course measurement with a tolerance of ± 1% of the stage distance and must have been verified in accordance with Rule 260.28(e).

[Stretch]

So you can a marathon that breaks 2 of those rules but still counts as a qualifier for comrades, but a Sky Marathon on trail won't

A trail run is not a road run... It would be the same as trying to qualify for a road cycling event based upon a result in a mtb event

[dave303e]

A trail run is not a road run... It would be the same as trying to qualify for a road cycling event based upon a result in a mtb event

 

So an A Batch MTB rider would not be good enough for batch VV at 94,7?

[Stretch]

So an A Batch MTB rider would not be good enough for batch VV at 94,7?

I'm not saying that.. I'm saying that an A batch mtb rider would have to qualify for a VV batch by competing in another road race (disclaimer: I have no idea how road cycling batches work)

[Andrew Steer]

So you can a marathon that breaks 2 of those rules but still counts as a qualifier for comrades, but a Sky Marathon on trail won't

Not sure what you are after with this? Did you run the Sky marathon in sub 4:50? 

If so, would you be happy with being seeded straight up as per that time?

 

I'd gather most likely not, in which case you'd run a normal marathon anyway to improve that seeding which would in term make this whole new angle to the discussion null and void.

 

And if you really actually wanted to run Comrades, you'd no doubt surely do some road marathons anyway as training and prep... making me wonder yet again how any of this is even relevant

[jdwet1980]

So an A Batch MTB rider would not be good enough for batch VV at 94,7?

Its two different sports like judo and darts.

[Jewbacca]

Its two different sports like judo and darts.

Yeah... But wouldn't it be great to watch Michael van Gerwen, Phil Taylor and Gary Anderson compete at the Judo World Championships?!

[scotty]

https://www.getaway.co.za/videos/watch-stuffed-lion-scares-runners-in-big-5-reserve/

[dave303e]

My point is that they don't really care how well you can run, but rather have you done an affiliated event.