Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[Chris_]

I have till Sunday evening to decide 

 

 

After last years KK100 are you going to take on the MAc Mac 200miler?

 

My UTD entry is carrying over to next year, and as much as I'd love to back myself I don't see me doing Mac Mac a couple weeks after UTD. And I'm talking the 100!, 200 is one mindf**k too far I reckon!

 

I'd love to do Mac Mac, its a beautiful part of the country, but ja, who knows.

 

We are looking closely at Karkloof again this year though. Its just so difficult to plan anything right now

[Mudsimus]

Based on his heart rate and his time for a 10km (30:34) at the previous Olympics I would say it is legit. Just not sure if he had a running start or not.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triathlon_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s

He can run a sub 14:10 5km after a swim and bike leg. I dont see any reason why he cant go sub 14 on fresh legs.

[Stretch]

He can run a sub 14:10 5km after a swim and bike leg. I dont see any reason why he cant go sub 14 on fresh legs.

Not doubting it and I watched the video and it looks legit. Depends on the actual measured distance. But.. Just bear in mind that 40 seconds in 5000m is massive.. Fresh legs or not. Edited May 22, 2020 by Stretch

[Mudsimus]

Not doubting it and I watched the video and it looks legit. Depends on the actual measured distance. But.. Just bear in mind that 40 seconds in 5000m is massive.. Fresh legs or not.

40s is huge, but again so many factors can influence this. We have to take in account it's an Olympic year, he is probably in the best shape of his life. And with all the frustration regarding the postponement he probably decided to go all out and prove a point.

 

Everyone is pointing to the accuracy of the actual distance, even if its out by 50m he would still have gone sub 14. I've tested my GPS on numerous measured courses and it's always very very close to spot on.

[Stretch]

40s is huge, but again so many factors can influence this. We have to take in account it's an Olympic year, he is probably in the best shape of his life. And with all the frustration regarding the postponement he probably decided to go all out and prove a point.

 

Everyone is pointing to the accuracy of the actual distance, even if its out by 50m he would still have gone sub 14. I've tested my GPS on numerous measured courses and it's always very very close to spot on.

I've sent a link onto my favorite YouTuber total running productions.. Be interesting to see if he does some content on it... He's definitely strapped for fresh content at the moment so he might just put up a video about it

[Mudsimus]

I've sent a link onto my favorite YouTuber total running productions.. Be interesting to see if he does some content on it... He's definitely strapped for fresh content at the moment so he might just put up a video about it

That would be great. Im sure someone can do a proper measurement on the route as well, he posted enough details online for that to be put to bed.

[Edgar]

40s is huge, but again so many factors can influence this. We have to take in account it's an Olympic year, he is probably in the best shape of his life. And with all the frustration regarding the postponement he probably decided to go all out and prove a point.

 

Everyone is pointing to the accuracy of the actual distance, even if its out by 50m he would still have gone sub 14. I've tested my GPS on numerous measured courses and it's always very very close to spot on.

 

Disclaimer: I'm sceptical that it is accurate enough to be considered a genuine PB time. It is however a fantastic performance.

 

His GPS was showing -17m asl and where is was is avg 9m asl - that's a big misread on the gps

At the end of the day, GPS isn't good enough and it isn't a measured course. He could go out and get it measured, it isn't worth it imho. 

 

Seems to have had a rolling start. 

Was drafting a bicycle

 

He mentions a 25 kph wind, on the course he was on it would have done more harm than benefit. Only one DW straight, two cross and one head wind. That's *** hard to run fast in. certainly makes an even better performance. 

 

As for the Olympic year, that idea got realistically shelved a while ago. Most athletes would have likely adjusted training substantially knowing they need another 12 months to get to a peak. He also should have been no where near a peak yet. Probably close to his bigger loads if he is doing periodized block training. 

 

At the end of the day, huge performance but possibly shouldn't have made a big thing about the PB. He probably would have been called out either way, because the time is that good. 

[dave303e]

Disclaimer: I'm sceptical that it is accurate enough to be considered a genuine PB time. It is however a fantastic performance.

 

His GPS was showing -17m asl and where is was is avg 9m asl - that's a big misread on the gps

At the end of the day, GPS isn't good enough and it isn't a measured course. He could go out and get it measured, it isn't worth it imho. 

 

Seems to have had a rolling start. 

Was drafting a bicycle

 

He mentions a 25 kph wind, on the course he was on it would have done more harm than benefit. Only one DW straight, two cross and one head wind. That's *** hard to run fast in. certainly makes an even better performance. 

 

As for the Olympic year, that idea got realistically shelved a while ago. Most athletes would have likely adjusted training substantially knowing they need another 12 months to get to a peak. He also should have been no where near a peak yet. Probably close to his bigger loads if he is doing periodized block training. 

 

At the end of the day, huge performance but possibly shouldn't have made a big thing about the PB. He probably would have been called out either way, because the time is that good. 

 

 

GPS has better horizontal accuracy than vertical accuracy.

[Edgar]

GPS has better horizontal accuracy than vertical accuracy.

 

 

Sure, they still don't use GPS's to measure official courses though.

 

We all seem to be on the same page. Great performance by RD

[Frosty]

From what I understand running on Zwift is much like ERG mode when you do training program.

 

They have no terrain effect, simply pace on the treadmill. Unless, of course the higher end treadmills can can cater for that. So that guy can merrily klap his top speed on the treadmill as if he was running on a flat while you're coughing up a lung on that cobbled climbs.

 

That's the way I understand it (please correct me if I'm wrong) and why I'll not invest in getting running on Zwift. Will much rather spend the time indoors constructively on the bike than on a dreadmill with not much else than pictures in front of me.

thamks, that makes sense - being passed by a runner on a hill.

 

I have a dumb trainer that meets my needs, so a dreadmill is not on my shopping list. I do have the option of equipment at work, and a shower, so I can always run there while the gyms are closed.

[Frosty]

A mate has a pair of Brooks, and I’ve wondered if getting my next pair in place of my 3rd pair of the current version of NB 860. My Vitality benefit is paid off, but I’m reluctant to spend money in today’s economy, even though they will refund me every month if I meet my goals. No job is secure at the moment, even if I’m deemed an asset by some of my colleagues.

 

My Asics (trail) shoes are quite tight (toyt), so I’m not keen on anything that is not available in 2E. The easy option is to get the NB 860 v10.

[Duane_Bosch]

Do you train in stability shoes.  I am a serial over pronator and used to roll my ankles often.  But after starting using Asics Gt 2000 about 15 years back i dont have issues anymore.  When its time to replace shoes i just walk into any store and get that years model.  I dont bother looking at other shoes anymore.

OK I bought those ASICS and some bands to strengthen the ligaments in my ankles. Let's see how we go tomorrow.

[Lotus]

It seems Strava has just overhauled their subscription model, and the Training Log is no longer in the free subscription. Money is tight now and I'd rather not subscribe if I can avoid it (my ASICS are at 1800kms and coming up for replacement so that's priority #1).

 

I find Strava did most things I needed except manually adding a workout WITH an associated route for those times when the phone messed up or went flat.

 

What's the favourite running workout app here, and your feelings about the new Strava pricing model?

[Duane_Bosch]

First report back on the ASICS. I don't pretend to be anything approaching a competent runner but I could definitely feel a difference.

 

I ran without my ankle brace and I could feel the improvement. Thanks for the advice.

 

Also. The sweat shop in Claremont will definitely see me again.

 

Oh and suikerbossie is hard. On feet or wheels.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Duane_Bosch

[shaper]

It seems Strava has just overhauled their subscription model, and the Training Log is no longer in the free subscription. Money is tight now and I'd rather not subscribe if I can avoid it (my ASICS are at 1800kms and coming up for replacement so that's priority #1).

 

I find Strava did most things I needed except manually adding a workout WITH an associated route for those times when the phone messed up or went flat.

 

What's the favourite running workout app here, and your feelings about the new Strava pricing model?

Try runkeeper https://www.asics.com/za/en-za/mk/runkeeper for logging runs and keeping track of shoe mileage

 

Also try Final Surge www.finalsurge.com

Edited May 24, 2020 by shaper

[Jewbacca]

First report back on the ASICS. I don't pretend to be anything approaching a competent runner but I could definitely feel a difference.

 

I ran without my ankle brace and I could feel the improvement. Thanks for the advice.

 

Also. The sweat shop in Claremont will definitely see me again.

 

Oh and suikerbossie is hard. On feet or wheels.

Nice!

 

Suikerbossie hill repeats will have you strong as an ox asap! I also love the little slip up from the restaurant to Llundudno ravine. It's an awesome way to open up the whole back end of the mountain and even a little traverse to the Nek and up to the mast.

 

Feet are awesome