NJ CRICHTON

[eddy]

And then do we all sing kumbaya?

There is very little kumbaya about staying sober or kicking a habit.

 

I have respect for everyone who manages it. Not many do.

 

 

I think rehab is great, he'll be able to get to court on time, speak coherently to the judge, accept responsibility. I'm all for it.

Yip, who was the judge that reassured criminals who used the fact that they "had found God" as a mitigating factor that he was happy that one day they would go to heaven, but first he was going to ensure that until then they would be living in jail...? Edited June 11, 2016 by eddy

[dev null]

I lived long enough with a useless, clueless brother in law who is also a user, and had gone through many supposed rehabs, with the accompanied sop stories about forgiveness and turning a new leaf, and then the new stories and excuses when he got caught again.

 

Sorry, but at this point in my life I feel buggerall for users and their excuses.  I have seen the path of destruction they leave behind, and they usually feel squat for their victims. They normally just want to get back in the game again.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Moridin

[Goodbadugly]

I lived long enough with a useless, clueless brother in law who is also a user, and had gone through many supposed rehabs, with the accompanied sop stories about forgiveness and turning a new leaf, and then the new stories and excuses when he got caught again.

 

Sorry, but at this point in my life I feel buggerall for users and their excuses.  I have seen the path of destruction they leave behind, and they usually feel squat for their victims. They normally just want to get back in the game again.

A very similar story in my family (in laws). The oke is sitting in jail for a second time for stealing/robbery. That is AFTER rehab

[Gen]

A very similar story in my family (in laws). The oke is sitting in jail for a second time for stealing/robbery. That is AFTER rehab

All bad..

 

It's terrible watching from the outside what junkies put their families through.

 

I had a friend who's brother was an addict, and what I say now may be seen as awful, but the day he overdosed (for the last time) was a relief to know that although they would all mourn the loss of a son and brother that it was over, the hell he put them through was over.

[Lurch the stalker]

A very similar story in my family (in laws). The oke is sitting in jail for a second time for stealing/robbery. That is AFTER rehab

I know somebody who went to rehab for drugs and alcohol, but he was forced there by others, he wouldn't admit he had a problem.

When he got out, the first thing he apparently said was, "I couldn't believe how many alcoholics and druggies were there", and then promptly went off to have a beer to celebrate getting out of rehab.

[eddy]

A very similar story in my family (in laws). The oke is sitting in jail for a second time for stealing/robbery. That is AFTER rehab

I lived long enough with a useless, clueless brother in law who is also a user, and had gone through many supposed rehabs, with the accompanied sop stories about forgiveness and turning a new leaf, and then the new stories and excuses when he got caught again.

 

I have seen the path of destruction they leave behind, and they usually feel squat for their victims. They normally just want to get back in the game again.

I know somebody who went to rehab for drugs and alcohol, but he was forced there by others, he wouldn't admit he had a problem.

When he got out, the first thing he apparently said was, "I couldn't believe how many alcoholics and druggies were there", and then promptly went off to have a beer to celebrate getting out of rehab.

 

There is a big difference between GOING to rehab and actually kicking a habit which is an ongoing battle the addict or alcoholic needs to win EVERY day for the rest of his or her life.

 

The implications of relapsing are severe, yet most - some say virtually all - do so, which is why I have respect for people who DO manage to kick the habit, STAY clean or sober and become valuable and respected members of their families and society as a whole.

 

There are fewer of them than there are people on the Hub who have kept the promise to themselves to stick unwaveringly to a brutal training program, not just for a 12 week period but every day for the rest of their lives.

Edited June 12, 2016 by eddy

[Gen]

There is a big difference between GOING to rehab and actually kicking a habit which is an ongoing battle the addict or alcoholic needs to win EVERY day for the rest of his or her life.

 

The implications of relapsing are severe, yet most - some say virtually all - do so, which is why I have respect for people who DO manage to kick the habit, STAY clean or sober and become valuable and respected members of their families and society as a whole.

 

There are fewer of them than there are people on the Hub who have kept the promise to themselves to stick unwaveringly to a brutal training program, not just for a 12 week period but every day for the rest of their lives.

Too true, it's a battle not always won and it's not just mind over matter, getting clean is a physical battle too.

[Vetseun]

There is a big difference between GOING to rehab and actually kicking a habit which is an ongoing battle the addict or alcoholic needs to win EVERY day for the rest of his or her life.

The implications of relapsing are severe, yet most - some say virtually all - do so, which is why I have respect for people who DO manage to kick the habit, STAY clean or sober and become valuable and respected members of their families and society as a whole.

There are fewer of them than there are people on the Hub who have kept the promise to themselves to stick unwaveringly to a brutal training program, not just for a 12 week period but every day for the rest of their lives.

I was chatting to a psycologist from a rehab centre here in Bloem the other day.

They have a 6% long term success rate.

94 % relapse within 5 years.

This is not a exclusive private rehab centre. More state supported I think. Cost to patient is R15k. I would presume that a larney private institute would have a higher success rate.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Vetseun

[dev null]

I was chatting to a psycologist from a rehab centre here in Bloem the other day.

They have a 6% long term success rate.

94 % relapse within 5 years.

This is not a exclusive private rehab centre. More state supported I think. Cost to patient is R15k. I would presume that a larney private institute would have a higher success rate.

 

No.  I would think that the attitude and resolve from the patient will determine long term success. No amount of money can influence that.  I have seen the results from a state/church owned one in Bellville (my brother in law), and a larny one in Kommetjie (my father in law).  In both they relapsed within 2 weeks.

 

My brother in law admitted he had a problem, but played down the destruction it had on those around him. My father in law refused to admit that he had a problem.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Moridin

[eddy]

No.  I would think that the attitude and resolve from the patient will determine long success. No amount of money can influence that. .

This. Nothing more, nothing less.

[ChUkKy]

Since its Monday I bet nobody has been given back a cent since his soppy Im sorry spiel.

[TheJ]

I'm probably the most unsympathetic person on the planet. But seeing someone close to me go through rehab (different kind of addiction) and how they are trying to stay on the path makes me respect the effort they are putting in. I'd say give this guy the benefit of the doubt, for now. It did take a big man to step up on a public forum and ask forgiveness. Clearly it is one of the steps he has to go through on the road back to the straight and narrow. If after this he screws up or screws someone again - throw him to the wolves.

[gummibear]

 

I would presume that a larney private institute would have a higher success rate.

Why?

 

Chances are that they are down and out so somebody else is paying for them.

[gummibear]

I'm probably the most unsympathetic person on the planet. But seeing someone close to me go through rehab (different kind of addiction) and how they are trying to stay on the path makes me respect the effort they are putting in. I'd say give this guy the benefit of the doubt, for now. It did take a big man to step up on a public forum and ask forgiveness. Clearly it is one of the steps he has to go through on the road back to the straight and narrow. If after this he screws up or screws someone again - throw him to the wolves.

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt here but he screwed over the people that tried to help him and he walks off without any accountability.

[Andrew Steer]

Has he actually replied to anyone yet? Or made any real attempts to amend the many wrongs he did? Or has he just posted something his councilor required of him... ?

 

If he's sincere and actually puts in the effort to get these people back their belongings/money - then I can respect that. If it's just another hollow worthless apology, then I'd much rather see him behind bars dealing with the reality of being a thieving selfless scumbag...

[NotSoBigBen]

Has he actually replied to anyone yet? Or made any real attempts to amend the many wrongs he did? Or has he just posted something his councilor required of him... ?

 

If he's sincere and actually puts in the effort to get these people back their belongings/money - then I can respect that. If it's just another hollow worthless apology, then I'd much rather see him behind bars dealing with the reality of being a thieving selfless scumbag...

 

By the same token have those wronged by him been in contact and can they report the response?