Kevin Evans accepts doping charge

[intern]

No, I'm not asking you to stop, we should interrogate people's arguments it's what's makes for constructive debate, I truly am not worked up Well I wouldn't be if we interrogated my statement that "people's times up hills is a bad measurement of comparable performance" but instead we focused on me saying "it's accepted.....".

 

I stand by my statement that "individual isolated times up hills is not an accurate way to determine performance capabilities between athletes because of all the variables that can influence the end result", and I'm not saying this because it the general consensus

 

Maybe we should start a new thread about it if we want to interrogate that method further

What I will try to stop is being a dick! It is that which I am sorry 'bout    .

[Pure Savage]

I think with this many replies  and this subject matter it's time to turn the clock back and get ready for a for a good, honest, old fashioned, friday hub special... come on, those pitch forks and lanterns have been hiding away for far too long.

 

http://coolerinsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/angry-mob.jpeg

 

Statement released on a monday, then twitter goes down on Tuesday... hmmm seems like the powers that be did not want this thread getting to Friday. 

[kosmonooit]

You and I will both agree that 2 + 2 = 4, 2+2 does not equal 4 because we agree it does, 2+ 2 = 4 because it just does, it's the truth and therefore we agree on it.

 

 

I just had an epiphany: 2 x 2 also equals 4

[Pure Savage]

I just had an epiphany: 2 x 2 also equals 4

 

2² is also 4.

['Dale]

Wtf

This thread is a hilarious roller-coaster

 

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Edited January 20, 2016 by ' Dale

[V12man]

Exactly this.

 

Who are Vets... 30 to 50 year olds who mostly can afford R100k bikes, most are competitive hence them racing.

 

Risk is also lower, as getting caught won't affect salary earning ability.

 

I would love it if they tested more Vets!

EPO is cheap too... less than my monthly coffee bill... #justsaying.... actually its about the same - but I choose coffee... tastes better.

 

Anyone who can afford a 6 figure bike can fund an epo habit pretty easily if they can get a script - in fact their medical aid might well pay for it too.

[raptor-22]

2² is also 4.

that is 2x2....

[RocknRolla]

The answer however, is 42

[DIPSLICK]

EPO is cheap too... less than my monthly coffee bill... #justsaying.... actually its about the same - but I choose coffee... tastes better.

Anyone who can afford a 6 figure bike can fund an epo habit pretty easily if they can get a script - in fact their medical aid might well pay for it too.

If only the hub had some Drs

[V12man]

Ok jeez, forget that I said Strava...

 

It has long been agreed by scientist that using times up climbs is not a relevant measurement of comparative capability.

Sorry - I differ on this - scientist do agree that measured performance does predict performance capability

[V12man]

If only the hub had some Drs

But we have Jeroen... pay attention man... wait - dont think he will/can prescribe anything that will get your newly skinny ass on a bike...

[V12man]

Old Ross Tucker is not letting up on poor Tumbleweed's bro!

Ross Tucker ‏@Scienceofsport 25m25 minutes ago

@katjanechild @KevinMcCallum the discrepancy in the dates was obvious within minutes.You often seek 3rd opinion on your stories. Not onerous

 

Although tbh it seems to be a case of shooting the messenger because he doesn't like the explanations!

Tumbles brother newds to do some homework on ozone therapy and ts acceptance in conventional medicine... I thought KE had just made a typo and he was referring to the blood transfusions - I should pay closer attention sometimes - my BS alarm should go off faster.

[Patchelicious]

Sorry - I differ on this - scientist do agree that measured performance does predict performance capability

I agree with you that measured performance does predict capabilities. But measured against a set of constants. You need to limit the variables to increase accuracy of the measurement.

 

Also, people mustn't now go and assume that I'm claiming that there is no merit in climb comparisons, but if you want to measure climb comparisons you need to take the variables into account.

 

Eg. If Froome climbed Ventoux in 45mins in 2015 during the Tour and again climbed it in 45mins at a training camp in 2016, you cannot with certainty say that his capabilities were identical in both attempts based purely on ascent times. You have to take other factors into consideration.

[Patchelicious]

EPO is cheap too... less than my monthly coffee bill... #justsaying.... actually its about the same - but I choose coffee... tastes better.

 

Anyone who can afford a 6 figure bike can fund an epo habit pretty easily if they can get a script - in fact their medical aid might well pay for it too.

Cheap is relative. Most South Aftican Pro cyclists probably couldn't afford your monthly coffee bill. Most white collar professionals aged 30-50 (Vets) probably could.

 

Also the risk, if you get caught using HGH at a race, you wouldn't lose your medical license, pro cyclists would.

 

Surely it's not hard to see that the barrier to entry and risks is lower for Vets to dope. Again not saying that they do, but that's it's just less off a mission for them too if they choose to do so. They also have less incentive to do so, it's only competitive nature that drives them, not a need to maintain their jobs, so it's not all against them

[Mntboy]

Yes. More practical & realistic to allow all competitors to use whatever they like. Some will kill themselves doing it - like Simpson did. But I suspect genetics & appropriate training will still prevail over any chemical advantage - we don't know, because we're still bickering about moral issues

Are you saying we should do away with any and all forms of morality?

[Mntboy]

It is his 'little world view' and those of thousands of good citizens like him, that make for a healthy society, friend.

 

Food for thought from Dr Martin Luther King.