RocknRolla Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 and all this hype about a crate... Tumbleweed 1
Tumbleweed Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) NIce idea however i think legally apologies are an admission of guilt open you to all sorts of legal consequences so unless you want to be liable aka Lance for fraud, perjury etc and the possible ramifications of that whole lot, so any legal person would tell you to stay quiet no matter how much you want to say sorry. Maybe that is the reason for the very thin story...... And it seems like legal advice is what is causing this whole storm to have blown up. Damages done already are pretty considerable if you start to draw it out, so there are a lot of potential people who would be willing to take up cudgels and fund their own lawyers. I think there are class action suits now in South Africa although I am not sure they are applicable here. Also not enough of a legal beagle to know about whistle blower cases like the USA where as the initiator you can benefit. Floyd Landis is looking to fund is future out of the money they are clawing back from Lance. If I was Kevin I would also shut up and say nothing no matter how the twitter verse exploded and flamed him. But this isn't a case of whistle-blowing. Oh, and Floyd seems to be getting nothing... Edited January 25, 2016 by Tumbleweed Paul Ruinaard 1
V12man Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 If I was Kevin I would also shut up and say nothing no matter how the twitter verse exploded and flamed him. Well - learning not to fan the flames would also be a good idea....
Paul Ruinaard Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 But this isn't a case of whistle-blowing. Oh, and Floyd seems to be getting nothing...Sure agreed. Technically there were people blowing the whistle prior to the admission? See the handbag war on twitter. Which was then repudiated by some of the parties involved through their counsel. FWIW and not sure if i am teaching you to suck eggs but it is a particular class of law suit, where the person who makes the US IRS services aware of a fraud and they successfully prosecute , that person can be a beneficiary to the tune of a percentage of the reward. Its a US thing, not sure its applicable here and it doesn't need you to be the first person to "blow the whistle" if you get what i am saying. This one has many parallels...... Any many parties aggrieved, who may see common cause. Then they get together and share costs. Also sometimes seen as a class action - US Law thrives on these. So really not sure if it could happen here... But there was an international event, so jurisdiction of international courts could be applicable to that. You see how this gets ugly quickly
Spinnekop Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Anyone ever read SAIDS's list of cycling-related doping cases? The info on the website seems outdated? Or am I looking at the wrong place? Tumbleweed 1
raptor-22 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) dunnow how I am ever going to recover menally...oh wait.. i'm already over it...No crucifixion here. We're not in Jerusalem. But it's easy to end up on the wrong side of the game even when not intending to break any rules / laws. Edited January 25, 2016 by raptor-22 Mousea 1
Tumbleweed Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 The info on the website seems outdated? Or am I looking at the wrong place? Waaaaaaaaay outdated! 90 Inch 1
Patchelicious Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 What ever happened to that conversation between everybody that they refered too in that Instagram fight? Did it ever come out as to what was said in this "meeting?"
Tumbleweed Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Sure agreed. Technically there were people blowing the whistle prior to the admission? See the handbag war on twitter. Which was then repudiated by some of the parties involved through their counsel. FWIW and not sure if i am teaching you to suck eggs but it is a particular class of law suit, where the person who makes the US IRS services aware of a fraud and they successfully prosecute , that person can be a beneficiary to the tune of a percentage of the reward. Its a US thing, not sure its applicable here and it doesn't need you to be the first person to "blow the whistle" if you get what i am saying. This one has many parallels...... Any many parties aggrieved, who may see common cause. Then they get together and share costs. Also sometimes seen as a class action - US Law thrives on these. So really not sure if it could happen here... But there was an international event, so jurisdiction of international courts could be applicable to that. You see how this gets ugly quickly The Floyd case was based on the fact that government funds were being used for illegal purposes. The point about this not being a whistle-blower case is that the sanction stems from anomalies being detected on the ABP. Not on the basis of the Twitter accusations. Floyd provided information on how the fraud was allegedly carried out. He could back it up. Converting an oft-repeated slander to a libel is not whistle-blowing. Andrew Steer and Paul Ruinaard 2
Paul Ruinaard Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 The Floyd case was based on the fact that government funds were being used for illegal purposes. The point about this not being a whistle-blower case is that the sanction stems from anomalies being detected on the ABP. Not on the basis of the Twitter accusations. Floyd provided information on how the fraud was allegedly carried out. He could back it up. Converting an oft-repeated slander to a libel is not whistle-blowing.aha thanks for the clarification. Like I said I am not the legal genius but i could see common cause amount some of the parties involved.....
Guest Lancesball Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Fair enough - brand awareness & sales not necessarily the same thing Out of interest, you remember that Kevin Evans rode Volcon and Merckx bikes even though it happened aeons ago and the bikes not taking off - I would say that is a pretty good argument for how putting a pro on a your bike creates brand awareness! I remember him being a rider on the Microsoft / MTN / Energade team as they lost and gained sponsors. They had those bikes as a sponsor. Same as Lampre riding Willier for many years until the Merida change.
rock Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 What ever happened to that conversation between everybody that they refered too in that Instagram fight? Did it ever come out as to what was said in this "meeting?" probably not this http://cdn.meme.am/instances/45068686.jpg Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, intern and Patchelicious 3
Eldron Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Our CSA could learn a thing or two from the other CSA. This is how you deal with cheats: http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/bodi-banned-for-20-years-20160125 GLuvsMtb, BDF and Tumbleweed 3
Shebeen Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Wonder if the David George drug bust thread got up to 80+ pages?
BDF Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 IMO this thread is all but spent. Lines drawn, walls up, opinions concreted in. Now just arguing for the sake of wanting to have the last word.
NelAndre Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I am still not sure if the OldCoot was in cahoots?
Recommended Posts