Pure Savage Posted July 16, 2017 Share Plenty riding disc brakes at the Jock Classic yesterday, CSA also in attendanceMaybe just there to collect day licenses then Edited July 16, 2017 by Pure Savage shaper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkie 2 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Someone commented on Jeroen Swart's Twitter feed that the current treasurer of CSA left the PPA under a cloud of contraversy? Doubt it is the same person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted July 16, 2017 Share Not sticking up for CSA in any way, but that was the same as the Disk brake issue. It is a UCI ruling that they have to enforce as a member. Argus not a sanctioned event at the time and UCI ruled that licensed riders may not take part in non-sanctioned events. Same as disk brakes. Until UCI sanctions them for all races then CSA must enforce the same rule at local events.It ended up in court, CSA lost the case. That was when they started to threaten their members.  They wanted nothing to do with the Argus other than their R35 fee per person.  Like everything else, they want our money without giving us anything in return. Edited July 16, 2017 by Eugene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted July 16, 2017 Share Someone commented on Jeroen Swart's Twitter feed that the current treasurer of CSA left the PPA under a cloud of contraversy? Doubt it is the same personIt is the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr1 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Veering off topic but interesting read on this here. On my understanding of the article, national associations (well the USA at least) can make a decision on disc brakes and are not simply bound to follow orders from above. Key phrase is " make a decision " :-). That would take thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 16, 2017 Share Veering off topic but interesting read on this here. On my understanding of the article, national associations (well the USA at least) can make a decision on disc brakes and are not simply bound to follow orders from above. 100% correct - the UCI ban is (supposed to be) only for "licensed" riders and doesn't apply to the mass participants in the open seeded groups. National organisations can choose if they want to have a blanket ban or as per the UCI. Guess they chose the former. 'Kaze Pete, TALUS and gtr1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr1 Posted July 16, 2017 Share 100% correct - the UCI ban is (supposed to be) only for "licensed" riders and doesn't apply to the mass participants in the open seeded groups. National organisations can choose if they want to have a blanket ban or as per the UCI. Guess they chose the former.Agree. As far as I know only effect those with racing licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 16, 2017 Share Essentially, if disk brakes are banned at all road races, then that means ALL mountain bikes should be banned from road races... which is the case for licensed categories. TALUS, Patchelicious and 'Kaze Pete 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cycling Athletic Club Posted July 16, 2017 Share It ended up in court, CSA lost the case. That was when they started to threaten their members. They wanted nothing to do with the Argus other than their R35 fee per person. Like everything else, they want our money without giving us anything in return.if i organise an event and request sanctioning from CSA , i am required to ensure that all participants are licensed, whether there are 35 participants or 35 000 participants. PPA went to court and won their case which stipulated that they did not require sanctioning. the following year they invited Cav, went cap in hand to CSA and requested sanctioning!! PPA is a well run org, CSA is not, but like a previous post mentioned they have very passionate volunteers who work their butts off at 'grassroots level' to ensure the production line of TdF hopefuls carries on producing. CSA exco / manco whoever cannot take credit for getting Louis, Daryl , Jaco , Reinhardt to the TdF but the unsung CSA clubs and it volunteers can. Vetplant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TALUS Posted July 16, 2017 Share In general it is very easy to just be negative about any regulatory body, in general they make easy targets and cop lots of unfair criticism. Â I accept we need a body in charge - what is amazing that anyone can still try and rule by fear. I now only own disc bikes because I think they are safer. I also see them winning stages in the TDF which means they are legal there as well. I KNOW tandems and MTB have them and are omnipresent at races but still they threaten me.I don't see any attempt to compromise or engage. Â I used to ride the Argus /CTCT. Never needed a license. Still one of the best organised events of the year. Â I have chosen not to renew my membership because I just can't see why I should bother. Enough threats may just shrink the sport... Bateleur1 and Pulse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossW Posted July 17, 2017 Share Not sticking up for CSA in any way, but that was the same as the Disk brake issue. It is a UCI ruling that they have to enforce as a member. Argus not a sanctioned event at the time and UCI ruled that licensed riders may not take part in non-sanctioned events. Same as disk brakes. Until UCI sanctions them for all races then CSA must enforce the same rule at local events.  100% correct - the UCI ban is (supposed to be) only for "licensed" riders and doesn't apply to the mass participants in the open seeded groups. National organisations can choose if they want to have a blanket ban or as per the UCI. Guess they chose the former.It may be a case where only I am confused but help me out. I tend to get confused and lost in the many layers of associations and affiliates. If disc brakes are banned from UCI races, how was it that Kittel one a TdF stage on a bike with discs? Does it become a case where the local (national) cycling association has the final say on the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 17, 2017 Share It may be a case where only I am confused but help me out. I tend to get confused and lost in the many layers of associations and affiliates. If disc brakes are banned from UCI races, how was it that Kittel one a TdF stage on a bike with discs? Does it become a case where the local (national) cycling association has the final say on the matter?For social riders, its up to local (national body - CSA) to decide, but for licenced riders they have to follow UCI regulations. CSA is enforcing the rule for all. I think TdF is being used as a 'trial/case study' again by the UCI to investigate legalising of disks. This has been happening for years at various events RossW and Cargyrl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinnekop Posted July 17, 2017 Share  If disc brakes are banned from UCI races, how was it that Kittel one a TdF stage on a bike with discs? Does it become a case where the local (national) cycling association has the final say on the matter? Disc brakes are in "experimental phase" and is allowed in some races as approved by the UCI from time to time. RossW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted July 17, 2017 Share CSA are not interested in Open fun riders, their focus is Lic riders and they follow the rules like sheep instead of been innovative and leading. I seriously doubt the UCI will sanction them if they allow disk brakes, unlike CSA they got better things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TALUS Posted July 17, 2017 Share Disc brakes are in "experimental phase" and is allowed in some races as approved by the UCI from time to time.I know that. I also know that it could have been "legalised" by CSA for non-racing but lisence paying riders long ago. Pulse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted July 17, 2017 Share I know that. I also know that it could have been "legalised" by CSA for non-racing but lisence paying riders long ago.Absolutely agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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