Patchelicious Posted February 9, 2018 Share These guys have completely lost the plot! Edited February 9, 2018 by Patchelicious Geronimo and Lurch the stalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch the stalker Posted February 9, 2018 Share These guys have completely lost the plot! I;m at a loss for words...and that's a very rare occurrence... Geronimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Halfdoesyn Posted February 9, 2018 Share These guys have completely lost the plot! Dis swak, CSA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted February 9, 2018 Share recon I could a free flight and accommodation to visit Rwanda ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 9, 2018 Share Received this in my club’s inbox... Not sure I want to rely to it, so will give it some thought and submit a reply by the weekend. A few members needs to give me their 2c worth too. In principle the idea to develop talent is needed but it feels like CSA are passing the buck onto the clubs, and holding them to ransom if they don’t do anything. My club currently sponsors/develops 4 youth riders, paying for their races, and also “mentoring” them on club rides, not to mention donating to other non-cycling related charities and also organises a popular race. I’ve decided to boycott CSA next year, and won’t be renewing my membership until such time as they start showing value in the sport. It’s not about the money, and I’d rather spend the R650 (and more) on a development rider. Sure, I’ll have to pay a day licence, or maybe not (depends on the efficiency of their system) - but that’s okay, I think only do 5-6 events per year anyway. Next step would be for the race organising committee the do the same, which means having no licensed riders taking part in the event. There would be a saving in expenses which is more than the lost revenue, however it means a other event could steal the date... #catch22 - imagine if other event organisers did the same? ——————————————————————- Cycling South Africa NewsMaking a difference on your doorstep Cycling has and always will be such an immense part of our society. While we don’t have the flat geographic terrain that so many other European countries have which fuels the use of cycles in their countries, the distinct differences between income earners in this country often leaves many commuters with the only affordable method of transport being their trusted old bicycle. Cycling to and from work and school in South Africa still presents many a challenge in terms of safety and dedicated cycling road networks. Educating the public regarding safety on roads specifically in relation to cyclists is a massive focus of a number of government and non-profit organisations, not least of these is Cycling South Africa. Commuting is one of the pillars of identifying talent in this sport. Other conduits to uncovering talent include school programmes allowing students the privilege of learning to ride a bicycle for the first time in their lives. Finally, to present the opportunity for learners and youth who have begun to master the skill of riding a bicycle to now test their skill and passion by starting to race even at the most elementary level. The prospects are endless when it comes to taking cycling to the youth and people who have never even ridden a bike or who have a bike and desperately want to learn more. South Africa’s past has not provided equal access to all citizens and Cycling South Africa are intent on fulfilling their obligation insofar as this sport is concerned, to reach previously un-tapped areas and to introduce cycling at all levels to those who so desperately want to grow. “We have over 20 000 19 999 members in South Africa. They span across the whole country and our challenge to each and every member is: “What are you and your club doing to grow cycling in your greater community?”” Says President William Newman: “84% of youth under 18 are black young people and we need to delve into this immense talent pool to find our champions of tomorrow. How will we ever know what talent awaits us if we don’t go looking for it?” Not detracting from the traditional structures which allow more urbanised and privileged youth the opportunity to join a club and grow and be mentored by seasoned cyclists, Newman shows deep concern that that same opportunity is not readily available to more rural and disadvantaged potential talent. “If every one of our functioning cycling clubs across the country just adopted one area near to them and started offering time, second hand bicycles, and skills training we would begin to make the most immense difference in peoples’ lives as well as start to identify rich talent in our amazing sport.” Newman goes on to say that every functioning club is littered with athletes who cycle and compete at differing levels within the sport. “Who could be better poised to offer mentorship, training and skills to emerging talent than our clubs themselves?” asks Newman. He continues: “One of the primary reasons we are so urgently driving the use of our structures is that the funding model from Government has changed significantly over recent years with funding now available at all levels in our sport. Funding bodies such as Sport and Recreation South Africa, Lotto and Sports Councils, have themselves identified the need to fund at grass roots level. It is for this reason that functioning and qualifying clubs can now apply for funding directly and use these funds for administrative costs with the focus on growing the sport to reach those who have little or nothing!” Newman says Cycling South Africa are only represented in about 25 of 52 geographic regions in South Africa (approx. 48% coverage). This, he said was unacceptable, and a goal has been set for clubs to drive representation to a baseline target of 60% of regions by 2018/19. “The only way to achieve this goal will be if we engage clubs offering them an opportunity to help drive these targets. Those clubs that are non-partisan to our cause will be assessed and placed on notice to comply and finally their membership reviewed.” The federation needs committed clubs and members to facilitate transformation and Cycling SA will do whatever it can to assist and support clubs who are serious about helping transform the sport. “We inherited a legacy and it is up to us right now to build and lay the blocks of change for future generations of cyclists of all colours and ages. We have mountains to climb, but the more we engage our entire cycling community to help us bring about change, the greater our achievement will be,” said President Newman. “We will help and guide clubs wanting assistance with how to apply for funding to drive these projects.” In closing, the question we ask: “What are you and your club doing to grow and develop cycling on your doorstep and in your immediate community of 20-40 kilometres?” The prospects are endless when it comes to taking cycling to the youth and people who have never even ridden a bike or who have a bike and desperately want to learn more. Regards, Mylene PaynterPR & COMMUNICATIONS - CYCLING SOUTH AFRICAemail: pr@cyclingsa.commobile: 082 333 2087Copyright [emoji767] 2017 Cycling South Africa, All rights reserved.You are receiving this email because you are a registered cycling club in South Africa. Our mailing address is:Cycling South AfricaPO Box 167Bellville, Western Cape 7535South Africa Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFinally received a reply from CSA. Not the president, but rather from the GM... Didn’t really answer the questions, nor address the issue of why clubs should be held responsible for development of cycling. But anyway, my club does more than enough, so no need justify what we do/don’t do. Here’s how the annual membership of R250, is utilised: R66 - per member per year for medical and death cover of R25,000 per incidentR24 – Road cover per member per yearR10 – for IT systems and development per member per yearR150 – admin and sporting costs Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted February 10, 2018 Share I stopped paying CSA 2 years ago. Are you telling me their annual extortion charge has now gone up to R250. Is this for fun riders or the full racing license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch the stalker Posted February 10, 2018 Share I stopped paying CSA 2 years ago. Are you telling me their annual extortion charge has now gone up to R250. Is this for fun riders or the full racing license.Racing license costs another R450https://www.cyclingsa.com/membership/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube120 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Finally received a reply from CSA. Not the president, but rather from the GM... Didn’t really answer the questions, nor address the issue of why clubs should be held responsible for development of cycling. But anyway, my club does more than enough, so no need justify what we do/don’t do. Here’s how the annual membership of R250, is utilised: R66 - per member per year for medical and death cover of R25,000 per incidentR24 – Road cover per member per yearR10 – for IT systems and development per member per yearR150 – admin and sporting costs Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYOU GOT A REPLY FROM THE GM!!!!Is he still there????Why? Geronimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted February 10, 2018 Share Here's the funny thing... everyone is attacking CSA, boycotting fee's, skipping licensing, telling events to skip being sanctioned but then complaining that CSA have no money. This is what happens when they have no money. There is no Lotto funding either as far as I am aware. CSA has huge faults, don't get me wrong, but breaking them down achieves little too. Positive engagement goes a long way, we need them any which way you want to look at it. Just my 2 cents andydude and pista 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted February 10, 2018 Share Here's the funny thing... everyone is attacking CSA, boycotting fee's, skipping licensing, telling events to skip being sanctioned but then complaining that CSA have no money. This is what happens when they have no money. There is no Lotto funding either as far as I am aware. CSA has huge faults, don't get me wrong, but breaking them down achieves little too. Positive engagement goes a long way, we need them any which way you want to look at it. Just my 2 centsThe positive route has been tried by many, and many here! If they don’t have the funds to correctly manage cycling, then they shouldn’t drag the sport down with them. People are not upset with CSA out of the blue, they are not boycotting as a first port of call. Just as a person doesn’t wake up one morning at 400kg, they didn’t wake up one morning bankrupt, they got themselves there over time, and it wasn’t all by accident. Edit: Why do we need them? Honestly, not being facetious, but what is it that they contribute to me and you and the when we pay our annual fees? Edited February 10, 2018 by Patchelicious Gen, Danger Dassie, TIB and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted February 10, 2018 Share Finally received a reply from CSA. Not the president, but rather from the GM... Didn’t really answer the questions, nor address the issue of why clubs should be held responsible for development of cycling. But anyway, my club does more than enough, so no need justify what we do/don’t do. Here’s how the annual membership of R250, is utilised: R66 - per member per year for medical and death cover of R25,000 per incident (Have my own cover)R24 – Road cover per member per year (?? What does this mean ? MTB, Track, BMX ?? If this is to cover the "admin" for RAF claim most law firms will do it on a no claim payout no charge basis)R10 – for IT systems and development per member per year (surely this should form part of admin)R150 – admin and sporting costs (what are sporting costs) Edited February 10, 2018 by scotty Patchelicious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickc Posted February 10, 2018 Share We Finally received a reply from CSA. Not the president, but rather from the GM...Didn’t really answer the questions, nor address the issue of why clubs should be held responsible for development of cycling. But anyway, my club does more than enough, so no need justify what we do/don’t do.Here’s how the annual membership of R250, is utilised:R66 - per member per year for medical and death cover of R25,000 per incident (Have my own cover)R24 – Road cover per member per year (?? What does this mean ? MTB, Track, BMX ?? If this is to cover the "admin" for RAF claim most law firms will do it on a no claim payout no charge basis)R10 – for IT systems and development per member per year (surely this should form part of admin)R150 – admin and sporting costs (what are sporting costs) What happens to the R35.00 day license they collect from each competitor at all the MTB events around the country, must also amount to a huge sum. Edited February 10, 2018 by nickc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmonooit Posted February 10, 2018 Share From what I have seen Rwanda is worth a visit - its surprisingly clean, the roads decent and lots of nutter cycling fans, If I had wrencher credentials I would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted February 10, 2018 Share From what I have seen Rwanda is worth a visit - its surprisingly clean, the roads decent and lots of nutter cycling fans, If I had wrencher credentials I would go.Rwanda seems ok, just wait till CSA get there, they are sure to **** it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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