The Veganism Thread

[WrightJnr]

But he won’t do that....

Maybe it was for love....

[Patchelicious]

Maybe it was for love....

You took the words right out my mouth!

[Gen]

But he won’t do that....

Maybe it was for love....

I really enjoy the direction this forum is going.

[Mojoman]

I really enjoy the direction this forum is going.

So long as its not One Direction.....

[MTBeer]

The Brits are nutty. 

But yeah I guess some people have been treating it like a religion for a while already.

It's as relevant as any other religion.

[100Tours]

There is some interesting science being carried out at the moment on b12 deficiency in meat and animal products at the moment. Because b12 actually originated from cobalt rich soil and not the animal itself, intensively farmed animals are slowly becoming b12 deficient as well. Basically the cow injests some of the soil around the grass it eats and you eat the cow.

 

But if the cow is eating a feed or grain from a trough or feeding machine there is no chance it can eat pieces of the bacteria filled soil necessary for b12.

 

Anywhooo, a simple coffee or cereal once a day with a fortified b12 plant based milk avoids the whole need for supplementation completely.

 

BBC summary of the B12 issue. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50836442

 

Basically you reduce your risk of diabetes and heart disease, but (probably) increase your risk of stroke, neuropathy and bone density issues. The fact-based approach would be to reduce your meat intake, but not to stop entirely. ovo/lacto-vegeterianism (i.e. veggies, milk and eggs) is also a good halfway house. going 100% vegan is not a sound fact-based choice, although I do accept that facts are not for everybody (and facts and diets almost never go together).

['Dale]

Tomorrow is an opportunity to

 

 

Meatless Monday

 

 

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[Wayne Potgieter]

BBC summary of the B12 issue. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-50836442

 

Basically you reduce your risk of diabetes and heart disease, but (probably) increase your risk of stroke, neuropathy and bone density issues. The fact-based approach would be to reduce your meat intake, but not to stop entirely. ovo/lacto-vegeterianism (i.e. veggies, milk and eggs) is also a good halfway house. going 100% vegan is not a sound fact-based choice, although I do accept that facts are not for everybody (and facts and diets almost never go together).

i respectfully disagree. This article makes no reference to needing animal based foods, it simply suggests being mindful of b12 deficiency.

 

Which completely corroborates what I have been saying.

 

All diets and food choices need to be mindful of nutrient diversity and density. If you only eat one thing all the time, you are going to struggle.

 

B12 deficiency is a real thing and the point I was trying to make is its is slowly becoming an issue for animal product consumers as well.

 

I hope this doesn’t come across as argumentative, I am grateful to have a good discussion about this.

['Dale]

https://www.food24.com/News-and-Guides/Food-in-Focus/4-fabulous-vegetarian-burgers-to-try-even-if-youre-a-meat-lover-20190116

[Patchelicious]

On the weekend I went for a ride, stopped at the coffee shop in Richmond Park. Thought I’d treat myself to a sausage roll, it was a good ride and it wasn’t a meat free day..... after a two bites I couldn’t anymore, it was disgusting and threw it away. Though maybe I’m getting over this meat thing ????????

 

Popped past there again today and took a closer look at the little sign..... they are vegan sausage rolls.

[Gen]

On the weekend I went for a ride, stopped at the coffee shop in Richmond Park. Thought I’d treat myself to a sausage roll, it was a good ride and it wasn’t a meat free day..... after a two bites I couldn’t anymore, it was disgusting and threw it away. Though maybe I’m getting over this meat thing [emoji1320]

 

Popped past there again today and took a closer look at the little sign..... they are vegan sausage rolls.

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[Wayne Potgieter]

On the weekend I went for a ride, stopped at the coffee shop in Richmond Park. Thought I’d treat myself to a sausage roll, it was a good ride and it wasn’t a meat free day..... after a two bites I couldn’t anymore, it was disgusting and threw it away. Though maybe I’m getting over this meat thing [emoji1320]

 

Popped past there again today and took a closer look at the little sign..... they are vegan sausage rolls.

ha ha ha.

 

I struggle with quite a lot of the fake meats.

 

Sometimes think it’s trying too hard. Veggies are absolutely amazing on there own, I don’t see much point in trying to mimic and force them to be something they are not. (My opinion)

 

Now a curried vegetable korma vegan pie on the other hand would be amazing.

[100Tours]

i respectfully disagree. This article makes no reference to needing animal based foods, it simply suggests being mindful of b12 deficiency.

 

Which completely corroborates what I have been saying.

 

All diets and food choices need to be mindful of nutrient diversity and density. If you only eat one thing all the time, you are going to struggle.

 

B12 deficiency is a real thing and the point I was trying to make is its is slowly becoming an issue for animal product consumers as well.

 

I hope this doesn’t come across as argumentative, I am grateful to have a good discussion about this.

 

No argument from me - I am reminded to pay attention to supplements

 

There are 2 very distinct vegan camps - vegan for health or vegan for animal rights. If vegan for health then I assume you're doing your homework and that you will educate yourself and mitigate against the potential pitfalls of not having meat/dairy in your diet. I'd still like to have a discussion about why you're leaving out eggs and dairy if your choices are only based on health (calcium particularly important for aging well). Are you avoiding leather and wool products too? We might be talking vegetarianism..

 

As a generalisation the 'vegan for animal rights' group can be a bit less thoughtful about their choices, and these are generally the group that makes the news. This is also where I have an issue with veganism campaigners - people are influenced to cut out meat (have you been to a feedlot/abbatoir etc.), but without learning anything about vegan diet health. This is also the group that is most likely to feed their kids a vegan diet - which has the added risks of undernourishment during high growth years.

Edited January 7, 2020 by 100Tours

[Wayne Potgieter]

No argument from me - I am reminded to pay attention to supplements

 

There are 2 very distinct vegan camps - vegan for health or vegan for animal rights. If vegan for health then I assume you're doing your homework and that you will educate yourself and mitigate against the potential pitfalls of not having meat/dairy in your diet. I'd still like to have a discussion about why you're leaving out eggs and dairy if your choices are only based on health (calcium particularly important for aging well). Are you avoiding leather and wool products too? We might be talking vegetarianism..

 

As a generalisation the 'vegan for animal rights' group can be a bit less thoughtful about their choices, and these are generally the group that makes the news. This is also where I have an issue with veganism campaigners - people are influenced to cut out meat (have you been to a feedlot/abbatoir etc.), but without learning anything about vegan diet health. This is also the group that is most likely to feed their kids a vegan diet - which has the added risks of undernourishment during high growth years.

Absolutely. Blindly following any eating plan without understanding the risks or doing the research is a fools game.

[Josh_the. Man]

Just some New Years leftovers.

 

My grandfather is very religious and is the founder of 'Word for the World'

He wasnt very happy with the vegan thing because it was his 4th time visiting this December and was fed vegan. He got a micro-aggression and told my brother and I that this 'thing' is bad and it's becoming a religion of it's own. He braught carrot cake that had raw egg in it and I was sortof forced to eat it.

 

He thought the diet was good and all but he felt like we were taking it too far.

Edited January 7, 2020 by Josh_the. Man

[fanievb]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/07/honeybees-deaths-almonds-hives-aoe