gummibear Posted June 10, 2020 Share Luckily there are no dopers in mountain biking...... [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted June 10, 2020 Share It was the bilharzia treatment...For the allegations to make sense, he would have had to eat a Spanish steak that was dragged across a Durban pharmacist's dirty counter. Edited June 10, 2020 by Patchelicious Underachiever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted June 10, 2020 Share LA doped, yes we know that, but he beat all the other dopers. Back then, everyone was taking drugs, but LA seemed to take the fall for everyone else. Bjarni Riis admited to doping. He was not stripped of his title. Jan Ulrich was caught for doping. He was not stripped of his title. Marco Pantani was serving a ban for drug use. He was not stripped of his title. In fact he died a hero. He was my absolute hero. I followed most of his TdF Tours on tv. For years I believed that he tested negative because theyy simply got his "formula" perfect to the rules of the day .... It was much later when the concept of "systemic doping" was explained to me ... so yes, he "tested clean", but he certainly was outside the intent of the rules ..... Frankly, he was the rider of the day ... and at the time all the top riders were having cock-tail hour before after and during the Tours .... so at worst, Lance was the best doper of his time. The only real pity - the lost generation of clean racers, that simply had not real chance against all those on gummi-berry-juice .... Then again, if the "intent of the rules" were the yardstick we would all be cycling with a scuba tank and full face mask to do our part to stop the spread ..... and by the example of the local riders, the Tour riders are not bending the rules enough ... Bonus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane_Bosch Posted June 10, 2020 Share What I don't get is people like Betsy Andreu and her relentless and (IMHO) ridiculous crusade. He called her fat. There's no excusing that! Gen, PygaSchmyga, Bonus and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted June 10, 2020 Share At the time I was also part of the baying mob calling for his public execution with the rest of the justifiably outraged public, but over the years observing him from afar with stuff like the MOVES podcast and seeing some of his interviews, I am less attached to those views. I enjoy how self-deprecating and reflective he has become around the doping stuff, and he has really interesting insights and commentary on cycling. Was he a complete box? Oh hell yes. Has he REALLY learnt from the experience? I think it would be impossible not to have. Is he still a box? Who am I to judge? What I don't get is people like Betsy Andreu and her relentless and (IMHO) ridiculous crusade. Imagine being that utterly consumed by bitterness and the need for some sort of pound of flesh, even after all these years? What does she actually want? That kind of negativity eats you out until there is nothing leftBeing a Karen before it was cool? Duane_Bosch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted June 10, 2020 Share Yes, nobody really knows , but from what I read Ulrich never had the discipline and single minded dedication to be a great champion in an event like the TdF ... so he might have had the physical attributes to beat Lance but it takes much more than that to win multiple TDF's. To a degree I agree with Johann Bruyneel who recently said that all the great champions in cycling history were the best in their generation whether they have confessed or were caught doping or not. He made the interesting point that you cannot beat the best in the world who have doped without taking something yourself with specific reference to Greg Le Mond who has beaten Laurent Fignon who admitted to doping. Ja Bruyneel's thinly veiled dig at Le Mond goes back to is own racing days and spats with Le Mond.Easy to debunk what he's insinuating anyway so I've never taken those comments of his seriously. Fignon was doping when he was coming back from Injury. There was speculation he doped in 89 too and hence Bruyneel tries to plant the seed that Lemond must have been doping if he beat Fignon. Problem with his theory is that the common drugs back then were easily detectable so only stupid riders would use it in competition. The EPO and blood doping era kicked off in around 93, strangely the same year LA won his World Championship... Gen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBeer Posted June 10, 2020 Share YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! And comparing him to Pablo Escobar is a bit like calling someone who doesn't wear a mask a murderer. Teeni overstretch. Everybody loves to vilify him but he took cycling into the living rooms of America with it's associated paychecks. I love the banter between him and George when they do the race analysis in the grand tours. He's clearly still well connected within pro cycling.he's more the Walter White of cycling? PygaSchmyga and Bonus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted June 10, 2020 Share GO LANCE! Scotty told me to say that???? NotSoBigBen, nathrix, Bonus and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted June 10, 2020 Share He called her fat. There's no excusing that! She did lose a few lbs after that so she needs to be thankful to him for pointing that out because she was looking goooood after she lost the baby fat Duane_Bosch and PygaSchmyga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_ Posted June 10, 2020 Share I felt about LA and the rest of them the same way I do athletics superstars. I know what they're doing, but dammit... for some reason I'm happier to be ignorant and not see it in black and white. Makes no sense I know. Especially as a lover of the sport. Bonus, PygaSchmyga and Duane_Bosch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsw Posted June 10, 2020 Share Ja Bruyneel's thinly veiled dig at Le Mond goes back to is own racing days and spats with Le Mond.Easy to debunk what he's insinuating anyway so I've never taken those comments of his seriously. Fignon was doping when he was coming back from Injury. There was speculation he doped in 89 too and hence Bruyneel tries to plant the seed that Lemond must have been doping if he beat Fignon. Problem with his theory is that the common drugs back then were easily detectable so only stupid riders would use it in competition.The EPO and blood doping era kicked off in around 93, strangely the same year LA won his World Championship... According to Bruyneel riders did take drugs sometimes even during competition as testing was in those days done by drawing lots which they announced halfway through a stage by race radio. He claimed that he saw how Marc Madiot ( currently the Groupama FDJ team manager) once fell back after he heard he was not going to be tested to have an IV placed into his arm before joining the front of the race again. Anyway, Bruyneel is obviously sore about a few things, so who knows, there are so many stories and theories? Bonus and DieselnDust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane_Bosch Posted June 10, 2020 Share I felt about LA and the rest of them the same way I do athletics superstars. I know what they're doing, but dammit... for some reason I'm happier to be ignorant and not see it in black and white. Makes no sense I know. Especially as a lover of the sport.Same. I know they are doping. But even if they weren't they'd still be superhuman. And besides. How many of the people whining about doping lie about their weight on Zwift? Bonus and SwissVan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted June 10, 2020 Share Same. I know they are doping. But even if they weren't they'd still be superhuman. And besides. How many of the people whining about doping lie about their weight on Zwift?How do you know? You should send this proof to WADA immediately. Edited June 10, 2020 by Patchelicious Duane_Bosch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane_Bosch Posted June 10, 2020 Share How do you know? You should send this proof to WADA immediately. If you look at doping bans handed out by USADA even the paraplegic curlers are doping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted June 10, 2020 Share he's more the Walter White of cycling?I think he's more like the Lance Armstrong of cycling. Duane_Bosch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted June 10, 2020 Share According to Bruyneel riders did take drugs sometimes even during competition as testing was in those days done by drawing lots which they announced halfway through a stage by race radio. He claimed that he saw how Marc Madiot ( currently the Groupama FDJ team manager) once fell back after he heard he was not going to be tested to have an IV placed into his arm before joining the front of the race again. Anyway, Bruyneel is obviously sore about a few things, so who knows, there are so many stories and theories? An IV while riding in a race???...... Straight away you should know that's BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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