I have an idea for a new thread...

[Odinson]

It does, but by pissing the people off who's support you are actually needing or asking for you aren't actually going to change the status quo.

 

Like I said, Peta is a very large, but very divisive organisation. They're as unpopular among vegans as they are among meat eaters. They are not representative of the 'vegan norm', if you will. 

 

The loudest voices catch the most attention. The Daily Mail isn't going to run a story about 'Cornwall man goes vegan and doesn't shove it in anyone's face'. They're going to run a story about crazy ol' Peta, cause that gets them all those nice clicks. 

[Patchelicious]

Like I said, Peta is a very large, but very divisive organisation. They're as unpopular among vegans as they are among meat eaters. They are not representative of the 'vegan norm', if you will. 

 

The loudest voices catch the most attention. The Daily Mail isn't going to run a story about 'Cornwall man goes vegan and doesn't shove it in anyone's face'. They're going to run a story about crazy ol' Peta, cause that gets them all those nice clicks. 

 

So they use the PETA method.

[Odinson]

So they use the PETA method.

 

They're all playing the same game; just different teams. 

[Fruity]

[Patchelicious]

No organisation operates on thoughts, prayers and well enthusiastic pats on the back. Everyone from Oxfam to your local SPCA needs money to keep the lights on. Not quite sure how fundraising by anti-whalers is a bad thing. Should we then be promoting it or sit with our hands folded whilst whalers decimate whale populations? 

 

 

I can see certain parallels in approaches. Different means objectives, though. 

 

 

There's a bit of psychology behind what you're saying. However, I would have to say that such kind of thinking is a easy way to sit in your comfort zone and not be challenged by new perspectives. 

 

When Arrive Alive runs a 'Don't drink and drive' campaign, do you see it and figure '**** that, don't tell me what to do!' or when the SPCA campaigns for people to not set off fireworks during New Year's/Diwali do you also think '**** that, don't tell me what to do!'. Take a minute to understand the message, digest it and then make up your mind. Yes, Peta's methods are often abrasive and confrontational and many don't agree with it and you don't have to, but they are one voice in a sea of millions. 

 

Societal changes require facing uncomfortable truths. Would women have voting rights if the suffragettes didn't make a peep, out of fear of upsetting the fragile patriarchal egos of men? Ending the meaningless exploitation of animals is not being campaigned to satisfy someone at Peta's need for virtue signalling, it's being done because the ethics and science show that the current status quo is untenable and is vastly detrimental to human and non-human animals' health and welfare, as well as the environment and future of this planet. 

Arguing people into submission is not the best way to convince them, no matter how strong and solid an argument is, the delivery is what sells it at the end of the day.

Edited November 26, 2018 by Patchelicious

[Odinson]

Arguing people into submission is not the best way to convince them, no matter how strong and solid an argument is, the delivery is what sells it at the end of the day.

 

 

Worth a listen: 

 

https://youtu.be/Z3u7hXpOm58

 

I've posted it a page or three back, but for those who missed/skipped it. 

[Patchelicious]

Worth a listen: 

 

https://youtu.be/Z3u7hXpOm58

 

I've posted it a page or three back, but for those who missed/skipped it. 

Dude, why not rather start a thread?

[Odinson]

Dude, why not rather start a thread?

 

I should, I know. 

 

[Edit] That being said, my presence was so gracefully requested, I couldn't decline. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Odinson

[Kalahari Vegmot]

[forkie]

I should, I know. 

 

[Edit] That being said, my presence was so gracefully requested, I couldn't decline. 

what gets me about all this is that if i spent as much time trying to convince you to take up my religion, the comments i would get from you particularly would be nothing short of abusive. 

[Odinson]

what gets me about all this is that if i spent as much time trying to convince you to take up my religion, the comments i would get from you particularly would be nothing short of abusive. 

 

I can understand why that would upset you, but I think there is a critical distinction that perhaps you have not considered. My departure is evidence based and from an ethical standpoint. 

 

You and I can go together and I can show you the rain forests slashed for cattle grazing, I can show you the bleached corals and I can show you the pigs screaming for their lives as they're lowered into a gas chamber or have to watch as their brethren get a captive bolt to the head. There are mountains of evidence underpinning my position. This is not something I take lightly. 

 

Can you show me God? Can you show me the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Can you show me evidence of their existence and divinity? If so, I'll change my position. 

[fanievb]

here we go again

10 pages of arguments about who's belief system is the best.

kan ons nie maar almal net mooi saamspeel nie?



 

[forkie]

I can understand why that would upset you, but I think there is a critical distinction that perhaps you have not considered. My departure is evidence based and from an ethical standpoint. 

 

You and I can go together and I can show you the rain forests slashed for cattle grazing, I can show you the bleached corals and I can show you the pigs screaming for their lives as they're lowered into a gas chamber or have to watch as their brethren get a captive bolt to the head. There are mountains of evidence underpinning my position. This is not something I take lightly. 

 

Can you show me God? Can you show me the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Can you show me evidence of their existence and divinity? If so, I'll change my position. 

woteva

 

better things to do

Edited November 26, 2018 by forkie

[grc]

I can understand why that would upset you, but I think there is a critical distinction that perhaps you have not considered. My departure is evidence based and from an ethical standpoint. 

 

You and I can go together and I can show you the rain forests slashed for cattle grazing, I can show you the bleached corals and I can show you the pigs screaming for their lives as they're lowered into a gas chamber or have to watch as their brethren get a captive bolt to the head. There are mountains of evidence underpinning my position. This is not something I take lightly. 

 

Can you show me God? Can you show me the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Can you show me evidence of their existence and divinity? If so, I'll change my position. 

 

Don't you want to meander off and ruin another thread - this one was doing quite well without you? Or just keep on banging away on one of the others you have already ruined - but I really enjoy the bull dust being dished out here, and don't want it ruined as well.

[fanievb]

woteva

 

better things to do

 

not worth it forkie.

 

http://media.tumblr.com/fac9a6d4fdc6760fc784210cf53a47f1/tumblr_my4ormAYrB1sj04x4o8_250.gif

[Patchelicious]

As annoying as the continuous hijacking of threads by the Veganists is, please do not compare something that actually has masses of evidence supporting it to something that has none.