Odinson Posted January 18, 2019 Posted January 18, 2019 Yeah, but i’d view this as a longer legged trail bike rather than an out and out race bike. Pretty sure that market segment is quite small and they are more likely to sell more on these ‘conservative’ numbers to regular joes on regular trails. I know everyone believes that they need a massive reach, 78 seat tube and 64 head angle but it’s not always a good combo and dependent on the bike as a whole and most people don’t ride shuttled enduro tracks all day every day. Not quite. The Strive is exactly that - an out and out race bike. I think they missed the boat on the geo. Use the Shapeshifter to go from 64°-66° HTA and STA from 75° to 77°. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
Dirt Tracker Posted January 18, 2019 Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Not quite. The Strive is exactly that - an out and out race bike. I think they missed the boat on the geo. Use the Shapeshifter to go from 64°-66° HTA and STA from 75° to 77°. Yet the numbers / reviews are saying it's not really playing properly in that category. I agree that they seem to have missed the boat on what they could have done or how they could have pushed it. Surely a company like Canyon would hardly have let that one just 'get missed' along the development route. Maybe they were looking for something aimed at the everyman rather than a few hundred guys going #fullenduro. They obviously have some plan as the HA is 66 and SA is 74.5 on their other recent release, the Spectral but of course that's a trail bike and 650b. I was surprised they didn't grow the chainstays a bit on the bigger sizes. Edit: Canyon did say PinkBike were actually on the wrong size. So fit seems to be a key thing. Edited January 18, 2019 by Dirt Tracker
Yo-Yo Posted January 18, 2019 Posted January 18, 2019 A couple of takes from some reviews online. "The Germans have also spent a lot of time refining the bike’s steering geometry: they’ve given it a head angle of “only” 66 ° or 65.5 ° on the team model, and they’ve specced forks with a short 44mm offset to increase the trail. A slacker head angle would have moved the front wheel further away from the handlebars, which would have made it harder to keep weighted when going through corners." "In contrast, much of the geometry trends toward stability. The 435-millimeter chainstay and 336-millimeter bottom bracket let you stay planted when you want to stay planted. Aside from its relatively conservative head angle, the chassis is poised to plow. It pulled me back from my assumption that a bike with rear travel below 160 millimeters, a head angle above 65 degrees and the suspension feel of a mischievous thrasher bike could not compete as an enduro race bike. But I have no question that this bike can." I wish now I had gone to the test day last Wednesday up in Stellenbosch to see what they said and have a look at the new models.
stefmeister Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 Not quite. The Strive is exactly that - an out and out race bike. I think they missed the boat on the geo. Use the Shapeshifter to go from 64°-66° HTA and STA from 75° to 77°. Another thing I've noticed; Strive CF 5.0 is 15.6 kg. Dafuq is happening to bikes lately. Almost every new bike is 0.5 - 1 kg heavier than it's predecessor. Is this all thanks to that stupid NX cassette, or cheap-ass carbon being used? Odinson 1
Odinson Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 Another thing I've noticed; Strive CF 5.0 is 15.6 kg. Dafuq is happening to bikes lately. Almost every new bike is 0.5 - 1 kg heavier than it's predecessor. Is this all thanks to that stupid NX cassette, or cheap-ass carbon being used? That's pretty damn fat for a carbon race bike. stefmeister 1
PhilipV Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 Another thing I've noticed; Strive CF 5.0 is 15.6 kg. Dafuq is happening to bikes lately. Almost every new bike is 0.5 - 1 kg heavier than it's predecessor. Is this all thanks to that stupid NX cassette, or cheap-ass carbon being used?My working class ali Trance weighs the same as my mate's SkouPonie Evil. Both with rather burly instead of lighter builds. I'll take a bit of weight if it means stronger any day, but there no chance I'm paying that much money for a 15.6kg Canyon. norrafok is not just a place in Russia. Dieter ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Grease_Monkey, Hairy and 1 other 4
Hairy Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 My old Cannondale MOTTO with burly parts spec was on the 15.5kg mark .... and I personally have no wish to go back to a bike that heavy again. My working class ali Trance weighs the same as my mate's SkouPonie Evil. Both with rather burly instead of lighter builds. I'll take a bit of weight if it means stronger any day, but there no chance I'm paying that much money for a 15.6kg Canyon. norrafok is not just a place in Russia.
BaGearA Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 My working class ali Trance weighs the same as my mate's SkouPonie Evil. Both with rather burly instead of lighter builds. I'll take a bit of weight if it means stronger any day, but there no chance I'm paying that much money for a 15.6kg Canyon. norrafok is not just a place in Russia. My mid-range Hightower CC is 13kg on the dot , I'm sure You could build one for 12kg and still have it ready to take on an EWS stage carbon bikes just shouldn't weight that much PhilipV and stefmeister 2
stefmeister Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 My mid-range Hightower CC is 13kg on the dot , I'm sure You could build one for 12kg and still have it ready to take on an EWS stage carbon bikes just shouldn't weight that much New Bronson is also a bit of a porker. You'd have to go XO1 build to get it anywhere close to 13 kg, or run 2.0" renegades to get it below 13 kg. It's almost as if in the last two years every new bike has gotten heavier and heavier. I see this on Alu frames as well. The only bikes that seem to not follow that trend is Scott. BaGearA 1
BaGearA Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 New Bronson is also a bit of a porker. You'd have to go XO1 build to get it anywhere close to 13 kg, or run 2.0" renegades to get it below 13 kg. It's almost as if in the last two years every new bike has gotten heavier and heavier. I see this on Alu frames as well. The only bikes that seem to not follow that trend is Scott.*outraged voice* WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS WORLD
Odinson Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 For reference: You can get a 29" Radon Swoop in alu for 14.2kg (S frame) for a lot less dollas than the new Strive. Dirt Tracker, Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and Capricorn 3
Grease_Monkey Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 My mid-range Hightower CC is 13kg on the dot , I'm sure You could build one for 12kg and still have it ready to take on an EWS stage carbon bikes just shouldn't weight that much Yeah, it's mine he is speaking of, 14.2kg. Tbh I dunno where the weight really is - but it's there. Nothing too high end, I run GX eagle groupo, Ribbon fork, Spank wheels - which are on the heavier side, but my tyres are EXO casing, carbon bars, light pedals, etc. Carbon does not necessarilly = light. No complaints though, got an extra 15kg to lose before I would even go down the weight weenying route.
PhilipV Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 My old Cannondale MOTTO with burly parts spec was on the 15.5kg mark .... and I personally have no wish to go back to a bike that heavy again.That frame alone is probably 7kgs. Hairy 1
Eddy Gordo Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 Tyres weigh alot, unless you using some thin lite rubber. Then cassette and crank also contributes to the weight.
Mada3400 Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 For reference: You can get a 29" Radon Swoop in alu for 14.2kg (S frame) for a lot less dollas than the new Strive. I approve of this comment Sidenote: the mid spec one (pictured above) with a lyrik RC2 is absurd value for money It's important to note though that the tyres this comes with might need replacing with something heavier, so dont take it as 14.2kg, more like 14.6kg Odinson 1
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