Seyffert receives two year ban from competition

[Wonder Woman]

Let's look at the differences between pro's and amateurs.

 

An amateur doing the Epic is likely to be getting up and 4am in the morning to train, then go to work full day and only gets to do two long rides on Saturday and Sunday. Therefore even on his off day for training he is at work getting stress and pressure. He probably paid for the Epic out of his own pocket so when he gets a little flu symptoms before the Epic there is no way he is going to pull out. His aim is just to go and experience the Epic.

 

The pro on the other hand gets up at 7am is out on the bike at 8am and can ride all day if he wants. He gets home, has lunch and a snooze and then hits the gym later. He goes in well rested and prepped for the Epic. His aim however is to win.

 

So in my opinion, the motivation behind the drugs on the amateur and the pro is totally different and THAT makes a huge difference in my opinion. Doping comes down to motive, not to what the person is actually taking. So why test a middle of the pack guy who is there to just enjoy the tour? Seems a bit ludicrous to me.

[Tumbleweed]

Let's look at the differences between pro's and amateurs.

 

An amateur doing the Epic is likely to be getting up and 4am in the morning to train, then go to work full day and only gets to do two long rides on Saturday and Sunday. Therefore even on his off day for training he is at work getting stress and pressure. He probably paid for the Epic out of his own pocket so when he gets a little flu symptoms before the Epic there is no way he is going to pull out. His aim is just to go and experience the Epic.

 

The pro on the other hand gets up at 7am is out on the bike at 8am and can ride all day if he wants. He gets home, has lunch and a snooze and then hits the gym later. He goes in well rested and prepped for the Epic. His aim however is to win.

 

So in my opinion, the motivation behind the drugs on the amateur and the pro is totally different and THAT makes a huge difference in my opinion. Doping comes down to motive, not to what the person is actually taking. So why test a middle of the pack guy who is there to just enjoy the tour? Seems a bit ludicrous to me.

 

A lot of our local pros also have day jobs, because the pay isn't good enough.

[mon-goose]

I agree, why bother wasting money testing the guys at the back

[Robrider]

I gotta disagree with this. People are people. Some pros study and take drugs on purpose, some get sucked into it by coches/team/leader, some chance upon it, some unwittingly.

 

"Pro athlete" doesn't describe a person - it only describes their job.

 

I disagree with this.

 

Professional means that you have a responsibility to be informed. As much about drug policies as riding with an iPod, its your job. Like JB said, if an accountant fiddled with a tax return, big trouble. If they did it accidentally... Still big trouble, why? Because its their job. Even though they are "just people".

 

If a hair dresser is having a bad day and puts veet on a clients hair instead of colour, is that ok?

If a civil eng makes a calculation error in a bridge and if falls, is that ok?

I can go on forever, but that fact that it is their job places extra responsibility on them.

 

Accidental is not accidental for a professional

[Tumbleweed]

Is it possible to access transcripts of the hearings?

[Wonder Woman]

A lot of our local pros also have day jobs, because the pay isn't good enough.

 

My whole point however is the motive behind why they are taking whatever they took....the problem is it's impossible in this world of liars to distinguish the two.

[SwissVan]

He was banned and his account was deleted. Came back briefly, but was canned again.

 

Does admin do drug tests?

2nd time round life ban

 

Man I wish he (Chunky) would reincarnate himself back on the hub

[Wonder Woman]

A lot of our local pros also have day jobs, because the pay isn't good enough.

 

Their main focus is still on racing and not their day job. They'll often give that up to race.

 

My father was a springbok gymnast and his boss told him he cannot leave early to go to nationals, you guess what he gave up? And he never earned a cent doing gym, not like the cyclists these days.

[eddy]

 

An amateur doing the Epic is .......... when he gets a little flu symptoms before the Epic there is no way he is going to pull out. His aim is just to go and experience the Epic.

 

The pro on the other hand ............. His aim however is to win.

 

So in my opinion, the motivation behind the drugs on the amateur and the pro is totally different and THAT makes a huge difference in my opinion. Doping comes down to motive,

 

WW, there are two points i believe are relevant.

 

First, an amateur (or pro for that matter) who has flu symptoms or anything else that needs treating medically can get a Theraputic use Exemption. The system provides for it, so that is not a problem. You can take almost anything if it is medically required AND it is declared upfront.

 

Second, there are a good number of amateurs who dope to improve their performance. Mr CEO of the business who's ego needs him to be "a winner" even if it just beating his mates; guys for whom a sub 3 hour Argus is an important goal; being one of the manne who have "done the Epic"; etc. Bragging rights is a huge motivator to cheat.

 

Check out MTBaaisikelist' s finishing 300th on day one of the Epic and having to pee in the bottle thread. It is quite good fun.......

[Baaisikilist]

My case aside though eddy, where do you draw the line...?

 

You and your wife enter the 94.7 for the 1st time and get seeded as amateurs in batch ZZ. You're feeling a bit of a sinus issue the day before and decide, as you do every time u have a sinus issue, to take a couple of Sinucon tabs, 2 tabs 3 times that day, and another 2 on the morning of the race.you're a social rider, no hope of placing anywhere significant. You're not a pro, so what the hell is a TUE anyway, you've never heard of it. You finish in 5 hours. But you don't know that by having that quantity of pseudoephedrine in your system, you just cheated. Then Robert's your Father's brother, "Please sir, won't you accompany me to this tent over here and part with no less than 90ml of your finest excrement". DOPER...!!!

[Wonder Woman]

Would be interesting to see who out of the Hub will actually back up MTBaaisikilist with regards to the ban and paying back funds etc and who thinks he should just suffer the consequences?

 

I say it again, it ALL comes down to motive.

 

Yes, unfortunately there is a contract signed so legally the court can fine MTBaaisikilist but that doesn't necessarily mean what they doing is right.

 

Makes me wonder if I ever really do want to get back into the sport. I think UCI is now seriously over-reacting to a problem and not actually solving any part of the real problem.

[Wyatt Earp]

My case aside though eddy, where do you draw the line...?

 

You and your wife enter the 94.7 for the 1st time and get seeded as amateurs in batch ZZ. You're feeling a bit of a sinus issue the day before and decide, as you do every time u have a sinus issue, to take a couple of Sinucon tabs, 2 tabs 3 times that day, and another 2 on the morning of the race.you're a social rider, no hope of placing anywhere significant. You're not a pro, so what the hell is a TUE anyway, you've never heard of it. You finish in 5 hours. But you don't know that by having that quantity of pseudoephedrine in your system, you just cheated. Then Robert's your Father's brother, "Please sir, won't you accompany me to this tent over here and part with no less than 90ml of your finest excrement". DOPER...!!!

 

One niggling question, why you, why did they single you out ?

is it the big guns, did you perhaps brag a little as to what you took ?

Why you ?

[Danger Dassie]

Said it before, will say it again. All the focus on athletes is fine and dandy, though ultimately it's window dressing until the coaches, doctors, officials etc also start to feel the heat.

 

Scenario, oh you're a pharmacist and a mate of jimny kriket who won tour de spruit. Ok well he got bust and you're proven as a supplier, he's received a ban from competitive sport. And you, well you sir have had your licence to practice pulled. Thanks for playing, go **** yourself.

 

That's how it should be. Too many athletes getting bust and publicly flogged, but years down the line the same names behind the scenes pop up.

[TALUS]

Said it before, will say it again. All the focus on athletes is fine and dandy, though ultimately it's window dressing until the coaches, doctors, officials etc also start to feel the heat.

 

Scenario, oh you're a pharmacist and a mate of jimny kriket who won tour de spruit. Ok well he got bust and you're proven as a supplier, he's received a ban from competitive sport. And you, well you sir have had your licence to practice pulled. Thanks for playing, go **** yourself.

 

That's how it should be. Too many athletes getting bust and publicly flogged, but years down the line the same names behind the scenes pop up.

Any proffesional (read registered at the HPCSA) that is proven to have given harmfull Rx that was not indicated medically, can be scrapped and or fined.

[Danger Dassie]

Any proffesional (read registered at the HPCSA) that is proven to have given harmfull Rx that was not indicated medically, can be scrapped and or fined.

 

On paper yes, but we've yet to hear of that happening or put forward as a process of action.

[TALUS]

I am not aware of any Healthcare provider in SA that has ever been proven to be involved (and thus could be punished). In Europe the Dr's have been scrapped and jailed. Locally you get your stuff from your local Spiertier methinks.