Cycle Science in Broadacres Sells Fake Pinarello

[shaper]

now another 35 pages dissecting the supposed reply!!

[Tjokkits]

So the invoice is also fake then?

 

R 37k for a fake frame? Still steep.

 

Maybe better to stop wasting money on attorneys and settle. Economic decision.

 

think the invoice had groupset etc also listed but no breakdown was given. deduct R37 off R19k leaves R54k for the rest,

 

so questions

 

normal price for dogma that he bought? how far away from the R37k

and then normal price for gset etc??

[NotSoBigBen]

I put it to you that all further questions and requests are pointless but ja whatever .....

 

 

1. On advice from our Counsel we shall not respond substantively to the content of your posting across social media platforms including Cycle Hub and Facebook on 01 April 2014 at this stage and not doing so shall in no way either be construed as an admission of the content or a waiver of our right to reply substantively in the appropriate forum should this become necessary, which right is strictly reserved.

 

8. Finally we shall under no circumstances whatsoever be drawn into “litigation” via social media platforms and / or correspondence and confirm that any legal action eventually instituted by yourself shall be vigorously opposed.

[DIPSLICK]

ASSUMPTIONS SPECULATIONS INTERPRETATIONS OF

 

THESE ARE THE DAYS OF THE HUB LIFE

 

TOMORROW JOIN US FOR PART 3,,,,,,,,,,, THREATS AND MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES

[rouxtjie]

I put it to you that all further questions and requests are pointless but ja whatever .....

 

 

1. On advice from our Counsel we shall not respond substantively to the content of your posting across social media platforms including Cycle Hub and Facebook on 01 April 2014 at this stage and not doing so shall in no way either be construed as an admission of the content or a waiver of our right to reply substantively in the appropriate forum should this become necessary, which right is strictly reserved.

 

8. Finally we shall under no circumstances whatsoever be drawn into “litigation” via social media platforms and / or correspondence and confirm that any legal action eventually instituted by yourself shall be vigorously opposed.

Great...until then they won't see a cent of my money...or get my recommendation when chatting other tjommies. They need to do the right thing here.

 

Its not like the area has a shortage of lbs's

Edited April 2, 2014 by rouxtjie

[jcza]

think the invoice had groupset etc also listed but no breakdown was given. deduct R37 off R19k leaves R54k for the rest,

 

so questions

 

normal price for dogma that he bought? how far away from the R37k

and then normal price for gset etc??

 

Depends on exchange rate but R91k last year for the genuine article would be reasonable.

 

Frame around R40k

Gruppo R 30k

Wheels R12k

[Trackmonster]

Cycle Science Reply to Armstrongs letters on Hub

1. On advice from our Counsel we shall not respond substantively to the content of your posting across social media platforms including Cycle Hub and Facebook on 01 April 2014 at this stage and not doing so shall in no way either be construed as an admission of the content or a waiver of our right to reply substantively in the appropriate forum should this become necessary, which right is strictly reserved.

2. The dispute pertaining between us in this regard shall (on your legal representative’s advice) shortly be the subject matter of litigation which we shall vigorously oppose on (among others) the grounds detailed through the exchange of correspondence between our respective legal representatives over approximately the past month.

3. Among the malicious injurious falsehoods you are persisting in disseminating across social media platforms is your posting on 02 April 2014 of the invoice issued for goods purchased by yourself dated 21 November 2013 while deliberately neglecting to disclose that (as you are abundantly aware) you specifically agreed to and paid only R 37 500-00 for the bicycle (consisting of a frame (at your insistence sprayed a particular shade of black), head set, handle bars, wheels and saddle column) sourced exclusively for you at your insistence and request pursuant to the agreement concluded between us.

4. The balance of the amount paid by you was for the purchase of a Campagnolo Record (Electronic) group set (consisting of the pedal’s, crank’s, bottom bracket, bearings, front and rear derailers, chain, gear cluster, cables, chain blades and brake mechanisms), a Sella Italia saddle, tyres and tubes for the bicycle and certain related miscellaneous items.

5. You have similarly deliberately neglected to disclose across the social media platforms that (a) having taken delivery of the completed bicycle on or about beginning December 2013 you enjoy a five year warranty (fully supported by us) on the bicycle and components, that (b) you in fact used the bicycle without complaint for several months and that © on numerous occasions over the aforementioned period you informed us and others that the bicycle you had purchased from us gave you the best ride you had ever experienced.

6. Should you continue spreading malicious injurious falsehoods across social media platforms and / or otherwise we shall not hesitate to institute such legal proceedings as may be available to us to protect our good name and standing in the cycling industry.

7. Furthermore we shall institute and prosecute such claim against you as may be available to us in order to recover the substantial damage your recent action across social media platforms and through engaging with our existing clients has already (and continues) to cause to our business.

8. Finally we shall under no circumstances whatsoever be drawn into “litigation” via social media platforms and / or correspondence and confirm that any legal action eventually instituted by yourself shall be vigorously opposed.

9. Needless to state our rights remain strictly reserved.

Bro, the bike is fake, come on man give the guy his money back and move on. Its fraud, counterfeit, trademark, copyright infringement. Its illegal! It wont end well. The only people breaking the law are Cycle Science, not the customers. It should never have gotten to this point in the first place. There should have been an immediate apology and a refund. Now look at the mess!

[YUMEYA]

I bought it from a Chap down in the eastern cape. he sent me a full description of the bike along with some good up close pictures etc.

 

Are you going to change your hub alias now?

Hope you get it sorted.

[Longbarn Killer]

Did Cycle Science use a fake lawer write this letter?

 

The English is terrible............maybe the Chinaman who supplies the frames wrote it.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Longbarn Killer

[shaper]

with a legal battle looking likely, me thinks the R91k will be chicken feed !!

[Bat-ass]

What is the goods description on the invoice?

Was it invoiced as a Pinarello? Or, cleverly worded to protect themselves knowing it was a fake?

And then there is the "he said she said"... Was the customer misled, or was the origin of the frame discussed?

Thats AA's civil claim.

The trade of conterfeit goods is now SARS business.

[SwissVan]

You would think that after 36 pages the facts from the OP's side are now pretty clear but some hubbers need pikshas mate

 

No chance...pictures, bold print, CAP LOCKS, whatever...does not help if people don't actually see what they looking at....

[Brogue]

Cycle Science Reply to Armstrongs letters on Hub

1. On advice from our Counsel we shall not respond substantively to the content of your posting across social media platforms including Cycle Hub and Facebook on 01 April 2014 at this stage and not doing so shall in no way either be construed as an admission of the content or a waiver of our right to reply substantively in the appropriate forum should this become necessary, which right is strictly reserved.

2. The dispute pertaining between us in this regard shall (on your legal representative’s advice) shortly be the subject matter of litigation which we shall vigorously oppose on (among others) the grounds detailed through the exchange of correspondence between our respective legal representatives over approximately the past month.

3. Among the malicious injurious falsehoods you are persisting in disseminating across social media platforms is your posting on 02 April 2014 of the invoice issued for goods purchased by yourself dated 21 November 2013 while deliberately neglecting to disclose that (as you are abundantly aware) you specifically agreed to and paid only R 37 500-00 for the bicycle (consisting of a frame (at your insistence sprayed a particular shade of black), head set, handle bars, wheels and saddle column) sourced exclusively for you at your insistence and request pursuant to the agreement concluded between us.

4. The balance of the amount paid by you was for the purchase of a Campagnolo Record (Electronic) group set (consisting of the pedal’s, crank’s, bottom bracket, bearings, front and rear derailers, chain, gear cluster, cables, chain blades and brake mechanisms), a Sella Italia saddle, tyres and tubes for the bicycle and certain related miscellaneous items.

5. You have similarly deliberately neglected to disclose across the social media platforms that (a) having taken delivery of the completed bicycle on or about beginning December 2013 you enjoy a five year warranty (fully supported by us) on the bicycle and components, that (b) you in fact used the bicycle without complaint for several months and that © on numerous occasions over the aforementioned period you informed us and others that the bicycle you had purchased from us gave you the best ride you had ever experienced.

6. Should you continue spreading malicious injurious falsehoods across social media platforms and / or otherwise we shall not hesitate to institute such legal proceedings as may be available to us to protect our good name and standing in the cycling industry.

7. Furthermore we shall institute and prosecute such claim against you as may be available to us in order to recover the substantial damage your recent action across social media platforms and through engaging with our existing clients has already (and continues) to cause to our business.

8. Finally we shall under no circumstances whatsoever be drawn into “litigation” via social media platforms and / or correspondence and confirm that any legal action eventually instituted by yourself shall be vigorously opposed.

9. Needless to state our rights remain strictly reserved.

Who are you?

 

The problem here, John and Robbie, is threefold:

1. Your legalistic and evasive reply leaves more questions than answers

2. Your invoice and explanation don't tally, none of the additional items mentioned (i.e spraying) are itemised

3. The invoice dates don't correlate to your reply

[jcza]

5 year warrantee from Cycle Science on a fake compared to 2 year warrantee on genuine article.

 

Wonder if they also have their own crash replacement program?

[YUMEYA]

Tough to keep up here but there were 2 red lights.

 

Dogma should have Campy Super Record (mech or EPS) and NOT Record. (or Dura Ace)

DT Swiss wheels? Just no.

 

custom build maybe

[jimmy hardtail]

So the question is, did the shop sell the bike as the real thing when it was in fact a fake? If so then the OP is correct in taking legal action.If however he was told that it was not a genuine Pina but a copy, replica, fake then he has no recourse. However it is still illegal to sell fake / counterfeit goods. And ASG seem to have confirmed that it is indeed a fake. So the shop doesn't seem to have a case at all.