Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 who needs carbon anyway ?I'd like it but it's not a necessity. But this bike - she is niiiiiiice
heini Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 But it's plastic!!!!!!! But yes it will look niiiice next to my 110 and 120!
TheV Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 It looks a bit like a niner ??? http://reviews.mtbr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/J9RDO_Tang-1024x640.jpg top rocker very similar, lower pivot a bit different... nothing not seen before??? even the plus 5 not totally new?
TheV Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 nice looking bike, i'd buy one to give it a try although i don't think in its class (price,travel,carbon) its going to beat a SC or Yeti or or or? it should be a 30% less priced compared to big brands to make it a winner i.m.o Newboy 1
Ryanpmb Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 would 650b wheels on this bike look out of place ? With some 3.0" tyres...
Ryanpmb Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 But it's plastic!!!!!!! But yes it will look niiiice next to my 110 and 120!So you finally got a 110...
Matt Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 it not new. Cannondale did this last year with their F-Si 29 Hardtail and the new Scalpel is going the same way. Cannondale use a 6mm offset which I believe they patented so PYGA can't use 6mm. They opted for 5mm and using the gearing aspect as the reason or change which Is pretty smart way of getting around what Cannondale has done. I spoke to Pat about this to get some clarity. Yes, Cannondale have played with offsets as have other manufacturers. Cannondale offset the rear end by 6mm for two reasons: 1) Stiffer & stronger rear wheel2) Better tire clearance and clearance for 1x and 2x upfront with shorter seat stays The front and rear were both offset to the right resulting in little to no change in the chain line - this was not their intention. For Pyga the primary focus was correcting the issues caused by the chainline to improve shifting and reduce component wear. A secondary benefit resulted in the stronger rear wheel due to equal spoke lengths. So while the idea of adjusting the offset on the rear end is by no means new, doing so with the intent of addressing chain line issues is.
NicoBoshoff Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Having said that...Ask all the mechanics at the Epic & they will tell you how good that shock is!! flawless.... just saying....That's funny because I asked Jennie Stenerhag why she didn't fit one on her new Scott favouring the SID, she said she's waiting for them to sort out all the issues that arose from the Epic feedback from Sauser et al. Stoffies1 1
GoLefty!! Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 I spoke to Pat about this to get some clarity. Yes, Cannondale have played with offsets as have other manufacturers. Cannondale offset the rear end by 6mm for two reasons: 1) Stiffer & stronger rear wheel2) Better tire clearance and clearance for 1x and 2x upfront with shorter seat stays The front and rear were both offset to the right resulting in little to no change in the chain line - this was not their intention. For Pyga the primary focus was correcting the issues caused by the chainline to improve shifting and reduce component wear. A secondary benefit resulted in the stronger rear wheel due to equal spoke lengths. So while the idea of adjusting the offset on the rear end is by no means new, doing so with the intent of addressing chain line issues is. Thanks for getting some insight to that. Basically they needed a different reason to address the same issue. Both companies looked at addressing deficiencies in the 29er rear wheel concept - one being wheel strength the other being a chain line adjustment. Personally I think the reason Pyga has chosen for the offset is a good alternative to the wheel strength issue Cannondale addressed. It is my opinion that the wheel strength issue is a bigger motive than the chain line reason since I've not felt that any 29er suffers from poor shifting due to the chainline being slightly comprised but I can certainly feel rear wheel flex and weakness of really rough terrain at speed. So Pyga's innovation has a nock on effect of changing the rear wheel dish. So kudos to Pyga for getting into this innovation path because I feel the rear wheel and front wheel hub widths are two of the biggest reasons I'm not a fan of 29ers yet. The wheels are just generally too weak. Hopefully this innovation gets the Pyga noticed and puts it on the international marathon bike map.
Matt Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Thanks for getting some insight to that. Basically they needed a different reason to address the same issue. Both companies looked at addressing deficiencies in the 29er rear wheel concept - one being wheel strength the other being a chain line adjustment. Personally I think the reason Pyga has chosen for the offset is a good alternative to the wheel strength issue Cannondale addressed. It is my opinion that the wheel strength issue is a bigger motive than the chain line reason since I've not felt that any 29er suffers from poor shifting due to the chainline being slightly comprised but I can certainly feel rear wheel flex and weakness of really rough terrain at speed. So Pyga's innovation has a nock on effect of changing the rear wheel dish. So kudos to Pyga for getting into this innovation path because I feel the rear wheel and front wheel hub widths are two of the biggest reasons I'm not a fan of 29ers yet. The wheels are just generally too weak. Hopefully this innovation gets the Pyga noticed and puts it on the international marathon bike map. From Pat's talk on Thursday and subsequent chat about this, the focus was firmly on the chain line (specifically in the context of 11 speed gearing) and this is what spurred the change. This wasn't a reason used to address another issue (wheel strength), it was the issue. Added wheel strength, though, is certainly a welcome positive benefit. Pat intimated on Thursday that the plus five concept will be seen in more Pyga's - "the Stage is just the start" were his words. I'd hazard a guess that we will see plus five trickle through the PYGA lineup and across all wheel sizes. awesme 1
SimpleDom Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Oh man. This may just cause a divorce... Brian Fantana 1
Capricorn Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Oh man. This may just cause a divorce... its ok, just get another that's +5. It's apparently an advantage. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
awesme Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Just get 2 and make the 2nd a pressy to her.G its ok, just get another that's +5. It's apparently an advantage.
Headshot Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Lekker looking bike, but that' s not what I'd call a short stem on there. Then again compared to a normal dirt roadie stem maybe it is. Kudos to Pyga for recognising the need for bikes that can actually be ridden offroad properly, unlike most steep long stemmed marathon bikes which are hopeless in technical terrain. The bike industry in this country has been selling the wrong bikes to people for years thanks to the SA belief that marathon racing is the definition of mountain biking.... Big Wheel Cycles and Brewster 2
patches Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 that colour scheme is sooo last year... https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/135107-extreme-makeover-morewood-edition TheV and shaper 2
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