Spinnekop Posted October 8, 2018 Share http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2018/10/07/1/do4rl6hxsaamd6x_670.jpgJa.....laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted October 8, 2018 Share Ja.....laughable.Agreed. I can't think of a current rider that is less deserving of those stripes. It's like the doping decade has come back to haunt us. intern and splat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted October 8, 2018 Share Watched the race. He rode a brilliant race. Outsprinted theee top class riders. He deserved the win....... until he is caught doping again. Then it’s gloves off, pitch forksbhay and tar. Bring the firefighters will you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted October 8, 2018 Share Watched the race. He rode a brilliant race. Outsprinted theee top class riders. He deserved the win....... until he is caught doping again. Then it’s gloves off, pitch forksbhay and tar. Bring the firefighters will youLance rode 7 brilliant TDFs GaryvdM, Pure Savage, intern and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted October 8, 2018 Share Lance rode 7 brilliant TDFsHe was the best of the dopers. They all doped DieselnDust and karma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted October 8, 2018 Share He was the best of the dopers. They all dopedIncluding Valverde intern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Watched the race. He rode a brilliant race. Outsprinted theee top class riders. He deserved the win....... until he is caught doping again. Then it’s gloves off, pitch forksbhay and tar. Bring the firefighters will youEDIT:Agreed Nee boet No forgive and forget hereThread title could be changed to “Whine and die” Edited October 9, 2018 by SwissVan Gen, DieselnDust and babse 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted October 9, 2018 Share Lance rode 7 brilliant TDFsYes he did and those were celebrated till he got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted October 9, 2018 Share Yes he did and those were celebrated till he got caught.Valverde has already been caught. intern and Vegan Warrior 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted October 9, 2018 Share EDIT:Agreed Nee boet No forgive and forget hereThread title could be changed to “Whine and die”Forgive? Sure why not. Forget? No, people NOT forgetting should be part of the deterrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Forgive? Sure why not. Forget? No, people NOT forgetting should be part of the deterrent.Yes remember that he was a doper, but until he gets caught again, stop constantly whining ( not aimed at anyone in particular) about something that happened 10 years ago. That’s what I meant by forget. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted October 9, 2018 Share Yes remember that he was a doper, but until he gets caught again, stop constantly whining ( not aimed at anyone in particular) about something that happened 10 years ago. That’s what I meant by forget.Not in my book. A dopers shadow should follow them around forever. Especially generation EPO. intern, Andrew Steer, Flemish Lion and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geomark Posted October 9, 2018 Share Interesting comparison to the returning doper attitude in the NFL, crazy stuff. We really are waaaaay ahead of most other sports in cleaning up our game now it would seem. https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/sports/nfl/2018/06/28/nfl-player-suspensions-for-2018-season/36466211/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisismyotherbike Posted October 9, 2018 Share Not in my book. A dopers shadow should follow them around forever. Especially generation EPO. Exactly, sort of like being a registered sex offender. Everybody should know you committed this offence even though you've done your time and paid your dues. All the questions being asked detract from the prestige of his victory. "Is he a worthy champion?" headlines, the lack of enthusiasm and elation for his victory - these are the costs of being caught doping even if you go on to achieve success later. His victory will never be as celebrated as that of an untainted rider. A young rider, who might aspire to wear that jersey one day, would in all likelihood notice how celebrated Sagan (2015-2017) was and how muted the celebrations were for Valverde. It wasn't always the case. While generation EPO are ostracized, Merckx and Pantani are still revered despite in all likelihood doping more aggressively than anybody could without being caught in the mid 2000s. Perhaps that is where the change will come from, when the majority of cycling fans no longer hold the "they all dope anyway so I'll forgive my hero for getting caught" view. We seem to give dopers less mercy than we used to. That might give riders the incentive to stay clean. Edited October 9, 2018 by thisismyotherbike Skubarra and Eldron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted October 9, 2018 Share Valverde has already been caught.semantics I know but lets just rewind to the Valverde being caught script... "Cas said its panel of three arbitrators decided by a 2-1 majority that Valverde broke anti-doping rules four years ago.The court refused a UCI and Wada request to annul Valverde's results from recent seasons but he has been disqualified from all events this season and asked to reimburse his prize money."The Cas considered there was no evidence that any of the results obtained by Valverde prior to 1 January, 2010 was through doping infraction," the court said.Valverde never tested positive for a banned drug but was linked to the doping ring by DNA evidence seized by police in raids on the Madrid clinic of doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.Yesterday's verdict came hours after Valverde retained his top spot in the UCI's world rankings. The UCI said it would immediately modify the rankings, placing Australia's Cadel Evans at No1.Valverde becomes the first top Spanish rider to be punished using Operación Puerto evidence, which drove the 1997 Tour de France winner and Olympic gold medallist Jan Ullrich into retirement and led to a two-year ban for the Italian rider, Ivan Basso." Basically he got nailed for being in Fuentes office at some point..Hardly Armstrong levels of doping activities here. Until they release the operation Puerto files I'm just going to say "Chapeau! great race and enjoy that lekker jersey!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Savage Posted October 9, 2018 Share semantics I know but lets just rewind to the Valverde being caught script... "Cas said its panel of three arbitrators decided by a 2-1 majority that Valverde broke anti-doping rules four years ago.The court refused a UCI and Wada request to annul Valverde's results from recent seasons but he has been disqualified from all events this season and asked to reimburse his prize money."The Cas considered there was no evidence that any of the results obtained by Valverde prior to 1 January, 2010 was through doping infraction," the court said.Valverde never tested positive for a banned drug but was linked to the doping ring by DNA evidence seized by police in raids on the Madrid clinic of doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.Yesterday's verdict came hours after Valverde retained his top spot in the UCI's world rankings. The UCI said it would immediately modify the rankings, placing Australia's Cadel Evans at No1.Valverde becomes the first top Spanish rider to be punished using Operación Puerto evidence, which drove the 1997 Tour de France winner and Olympic gold medallist Jan Ullrich into retirement and led to a two-year ban for the Italian rider, Ivan Basso."Basically he got nailed for being in Fuentes office at some point..Hardly Armstrong levels of doping activities here. Until they release the operation Puerto files I'm just going to say "Chapeau! great race and enjoy that lekker jersey!"Having his blood bag there, not just a chat. intern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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