Spinnekop Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2018/10/07/1/do4rl6hxsaamd6x_670.jpgJa.....laughable.
Eldron Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Ja.....laughable.Agreed. I can't think of a current rider that is less deserving of those stripes. It's like the doping decade has come back to haunt us. splat and intern 2
DieselnDust Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Watched the race. He rode a brilliant race. Outsprinted theee top class riders. He deserved the win....... until he is caught doping again. Then it’s gloves off, pitch forksbhay and tar. Bring the firefighters will you
Patchelicious Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Watched the race. He rode a brilliant race. Outsprinted theee top class riders. He deserved the win....... until he is caught doping again. Then it’s gloves off, pitch forksbhay and tar. Bring the firefighters will youLance rode 7 brilliant TDFs GaryvdM, Martin PJ, Pure Savage and 3 others 6
Pure Savage Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Lance rode 7 brilliant TDFsHe was the best of the dopers. They all doped DieselnDust and karma 2
Patchelicious Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 He was the best of the dopers. They all dopedIncluding Valverde intern 1
SwissVan Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Watched the race. He rode a brilliant race. Outsprinted theee top class riders. He deserved the win....... until he is caught doping again. Then it’s gloves off, pitch forksbhay and tar. Bring the firefighters will youEDIT:Agreed Nee boet No forgive and forget hereThread title could be changed to “Whine and die” Edited October 9, 2018 by SwissVan babse, Gen and DieselnDust 3
DieselnDust Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Lance rode 7 brilliant TDFsYes he did and those were celebrated till he got caught.
Patchelicious Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Yes he did and those were celebrated till he got caught.Valverde has already been caught. Vegan Warrior and intern 2
Patchelicious Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 EDIT:Agreed Nee boet No forgive and forget hereThread title could be changed to “Whine and die”Forgive? Sure why not. Forget? No, people NOT forgetting should be part of the deterrent.
SwissVan Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Forgive? Sure why not. Forget? No, people NOT forgetting should be part of the deterrent.Yes remember that he was a doper, but until he gets caught again, stop constantly whining ( not aimed at anyone in particular) about something that happened 10 years ago. That’s what I meant by forget. DieselnDust 1
Eldron Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Yes remember that he was a doper, but until he gets caught again, stop constantly whining ( not aimed at anyone in particular) about something that happened 10 years ago. That’s what I meant by forget.Not in my book. A dopers shadow should follow them around forever. Especially generation EPO. intern, thisismyotherbike, Andrew Steer and 1 other 4
geomark Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Interesting comparison to the returning doper attitude in the NFL, crazy stuff. We really are waaaaay ahead of most other sports in cleaning up our game now it would seem. https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/sports/nfl/2018/06/28/nfl-player-suspensions-for-2018-season/36466211/
thisismyotherbike Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) Not in my book. A dopers shadow should follow them around forever. Especially generation EPO. Exactly, sort of like being a registered sex offender. Everybody should know you committed this offence even though you've done your time and paid your dues. All the questions being asked detract from the prestige of his victory. "Is he a worthy champion?" headlines, the lack of enthusiasm and elation for his victory - these are the costs of being caught doping even if you go on to achieve success later. His victory will never be as celebrated as that of an untainted rider. A young rider, who might aspire to wear that jersey one day, would in all likelihood notice how celebrated Sagan (2015-2017) was and how muted the celebrations were for Valverde. It wasn't always the case. While generation EPO are ostracized, Merckx and Pantani are still revered despite in all likelihood doping more aggressively than anybody could without being caught in the mid 2000s. Perhaps that is where the change will come from, when the majority of cycling fans no longer hold the "they all dope anyway so I'll forgive my hero for getting caught" view. We seem to give dopers less mercy than we used to. That might give riders the incentive to stay clean. Edited October 9, 2018 by thisismyotherbike Eldron and Skubarra 2
DieselnDust Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Valverde has already been caught.semantics I know but lets just rewind to the Valverde being caught script... "Cas said its panel of three arbitrators decided by a 2-1 majority that Valverde broke anti-doping rules four years ago.The court refused a UCI and Wada request to annul Valverde's results from recent seasons but he has been disqualified from all events this season and asked to reimburse his prize money."The Cas considered there was no evidence that any of the results obtained by Valverde prior to 1 January, 2010 was through doping infraction," the court said.Valverde never tested positive for a banned drug but was linked to the doping ring by DNA evidence seized by police in raids on the Madrid clinic of doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.Yesterday's verdict came hours after Valverde retained his top spot in the UCI's world rankings. The UCI said it would immediately modify the rankings, placing Australia's Cadel Evans at No1.Valverde becomes the first top Spanish rider to be punished using Operación Puerto evidence, which drove the 1997 Tour de France winner and Olympic gold medallist Jan Ullrich into retirement and led to a two-year ban for the Italian rider, Ivan Basso." Basically he got nailed for being in Fuentes office at some point..Hardly Armstrong levels of doping activities here. Until they release the operation Puerto files I'm just going to say "Chapeau! great race and enjoy that lekker jersey!"
Pure Savage Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 semantics I know but lets just rewind to the Valverde being caught script... "Cas said its panel of three arbitrators decided by a 2-1 majority that Valverde broke anti-doping rules four years ago.The court refused a UCI and Wada request to annul Valverde's results from recent seasons but he has been disqualified from all events this season and asked to reimburse his prize money."The Cas considered there was no evidence that any of the results obtained by Valverde prior to 1 January, 2010 was through doping infraction," the court said.Valverde never tested positive for a banned drug but was linked to the doping ring by DNA evidence seized by police in raids on the Madrid clinic of doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.Yesterday's verdict came hours after Valverde retained his top spot in the UCI's world rankings. The UCI said it would immediately modify the rankings, placing Australia's Cadel Evans at No1.Valverde becomes the first top Spanish rider to be punished using Operación Puerto evidence, which drove the 1997 Tour de France winner and Olympic gold medallist Jan Ullrich into retirement and led to a two-year ban for the Italian rider, Ivan Basso."Basically he got nailed for being in Fuentes office at some point..Hardly Armstrong levels of doping activities here. Until they release the operation Puerto files I'm just going to say "Chapeau! great race and enjoy that lekker jersey!"Having his blood bag there, not just a chat. intern 1
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