Eddie Stafford Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 Hi Rob. I'm interested to hear why you think Munga is tougher than TCR. What is the TCR?
hubbernero Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 What is the TCR? https://www.transcontinental.cc/
GaryvdM Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 What is the TCR? Race that crosses Europe. It's arguably the race that popularised unsupported ultra distance racing. I know that Tour Divide predated TCR, but that's not technically a race, and didn't generate the amount of buzz that TCR did. peetwindhoek 1
GaryvdM Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 http://mikewoolnough.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-munga-2018-race-thats-almost-great.html It's sad to hear about these issues. Hopefully they are sorted out in future editions. Moriarty, Andrew Steer, Farrnus and 6 others 9
Bat Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 http://mikewoolnough.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-munga-2018-race-thats-almost-great.htmlIt's sad to hear about these issues. Hopefully they are sorted out in future editions.Agree 100% what was said. I personally thinks past winners (and top 10 finishers) will feel cheated with regards to this years superhuman time to complete the race. (I even felt almost to embarrassed to recall to my wife my time for finishing the 2017 Munga in just under 4 days. Almost two days longer than this years winner , Not that I was in their league at all)
GaryvdM Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 Agree 100% what was said. I personally thinks past winners (and top 10 finishers) will feel cheated with regards to this years superhuman time to complete the race. (I even felt almost to embarrassed to recall to my wife my time for finishing the 2017 Munga in just under 4 days. Almost two days longer than this years winner , Not that I was in their league at all)I did not think Mike was talking about the winners, but rather midpack riders. Bat 1
Shebeen Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 Race that crosses Europe. It's arguably the race that popularised unsupported ultra distance racing. I know that Tour Divide predated TCR, but that's not technically a race, and didn't generate the amount of buzz that TCR did.Not a race? Great divide race predated it in the same route GaryvdM and IH8MUD 2
peetwindhoek Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Agree 100% what was said. I personally thinks past winners (and top 10 finishers) will feel cheated with regards to this years superhuman time to complete the race. (I even felt almost to embarrassed to recall to my wife my time for finishing the 2017 Munga in just under 4 days. Almost two days longer than this years winner , Not that I was in their league at all)Not sure what you are implying here. Did Ramses cheat? Edit: I understand there should be emphasis on you finishing within 4 days? Well done Edited December 6, 2018 by peetwindhoek
peetwindhoek Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) http://mikewoolnough.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-munga-2018-race-thats-almost-great.html It's sad to hear about these issues. Hopefully they are sorted out in future editions.I see where he is coming from. Someone that did all events since inauguration. Someone who finishes within the top 20%. I saw footage of groups (5 or so riders) within the 5m “race rule”. And know of couples that did it “together”. (It did not bother me). Mike is frustrated about it though. Edit: horrific spelling Edited December 6, 2018 by peetwindhoek
Bat Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 I did not think Mike was talking about the winners, but rather midpack riders.Yes I do agree Mike was not talking about the winners. (But I personally think the past winners must still feel hard done) I also heard from one of the top five finishers of this yeas Munga about support ahead of him. Also no names mentioned. The Munga should stick to it’s original rules, or change it.
LeoKnight Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 I understand Mike's point, because if the rules become to loose what is next a guy rocking up with a ebike and picking up battery packs at each water point ? Farrnus, BigDL, GaryvdM and 2 others 5
IH8MUD Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) Race that crosses Europe. It's arguably the race that popularised unsupported ultra distance racing. I know that Tour Divide predated TCR, but that's not technically a race, and didn't generate the amount of buzz that TCR did.Are you going to tell Mike Hall (founder of TCR) , Josh Kato, Leal Wilcox and even Mr. Munga, Alex Harris, that Tour Divide they did was not a race? The Munga is ultra distance for sure. But compared to TD and TCR and TransAM it is definitely not unsupported. "Race village" and "Water point" and "unsupported" does not go together. As soon as something is created for the race, that is not there for everybody on all the other 365 days of the year, then it is no longer unsupported. Nothing against the Munga, I love it and watch the dots every year and dream of maybe one day . . . . My 1000th post . . . . finally I can get to those classifieds . . . . Edited December 6, 2018 by IH8MUD Bat, BigDL, dirtypot and 2 others 5
Slowbee Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 The downside is there will now be people entering who will want the finishing medal at any cost. Including bending, morphing, altering, breaking the rules, doing anything to get to the finish. As this ride gets bigger, this notion of "not in the ethos of unsupported" is going to mean less and less. And so the rules will get more complicated and the policing will have to go up. Personally if I am riding in the middle of nowhere, and there are support cars racing up and down past me, then I am no longer in the middle of nowhere, but on a road. And of course someone can help me fix my bike, give me water etc etc etc. The Munga is growing up ! The rules will have to evolve as well. Underachiever and AfricaMike 2
Moriarty Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 Perhaps an over simplistic view but why even have rules if you're not going to stick to them? Andrew Steer, Bat and BigDL 3
Dusty Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) Perhaps an over simplistic view but why even have rules if you're not going to stick to them?I think that you have summed it well. Some races also apply rules selectively depending whether you are at the sharp end or are one of the cattle. This imo, creates confusion and animosity. Rather don't have a rule if you are not prepared/can't/don't want to police it and carry out the consequences. Edited December 7, 2018 by Dusty dirtypot, GaryvdM and Bat 3
Shebeen Posted December 7, 2018 Posted December 7, 2018 Are you going to tell Mike Hall (founder of TCR) , Josh Kato, Leal Wilcox and even Mr. Munga, Alex Harris, that Tour Divide they did was not a race? The Munga is ultra distance for sure. But compared to TD and TCR and TransAM it is definitely not unsupported. "Race village" and "Water point" and "unsupported" does not go together. As soon as something is created for the race, that is not there for everybody on all the other 365 days of the year, then it is no longer unsupported. Nothing against the Munga, I love it and watch the dots every year and dream of maybe one day . . . . My 1000th post . . . . finally I can get to those classifieds . . . . good luck with that.like really good luck with that. tux26 and Dusty 2
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