Racers fail doping tests for EWS

[PhilipV]

The process is painfully slow.

 

They cannot afford to do anything until all the i's are dotted and the T's are crossed, then checked, then checked again.

 

It's a big deal making these accusations and the case needs to be air tight in the process. There is big money loss from Yeti and other brands as well as the EWS etc with regards the 1st 'doping scandal'.

 

A few months is nothing in the scheme of things. Lance was caught and found guilty years after his indiscretions.

 

In the age of instant gratification people are very quick to expect everything done 'NOW', but to make things stick, nothing can be left to chance.

 

Hampering someones career and destroying their credibility is not done lightly

Fair enough.

[Bos]

Do you mean that regardless of how the substance was ingested, they will be guilty? I ask because I don't know. I would have thought that if I can prove that the supplement contained illegal additives that I was not aware of, I would be exonerated. Perhaps stripped of medals for a period before the positive, but basically found not guilty and not banned.

 

Theoretically yes, but..

When looking at the last couple of controversial cases the "get out of jail" card to play when you get bust is: Find a Gray/Black hole that puts the slightest doubt in real naive peoples minds... 

 

Example:

I ate tainted steak, the pharmacist handled banned substance before my order,  the protein shake was dirty, obviously, because we have the same sponsor and we both got busted..

 

The process then gets stretched out so long and far (because the UCI/WADA/CSA is so piss poor) that people believe the banned athlete actually have a case which holds water and the athlete gets off half dirty, which isn't clean, but not dirty, and by then they believe their own lies anyway. 

[MrJacques]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/higenamine-and-oxilofrine-the-banned-substances-that-jared-graves-and-richie-rude-tested-positive-for.html

 

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-jared-graves-comments-on-failed-drug-test.html

 

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview-richie-rude-comments-on-failed-drug-test.html

 

Apparently it was really minuscule amounts, but the question of where it came from still needs to be answered. I'm hoping that it was some sort of accidental ingestion.

[MrJacques]

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[Duane_Bosch]

It's quite interesting for me to see the responses on here and other sites.

 

If they were roadies everyone would be screaming BURN THE WITCH and such like. Chris Froome was popped for something that isn't even banned and people were losing their sht about it.

 

Is it because they are gravity guys that people are more understanding/looking for excuses and not a shifty Spanish oke like Valverde?

[Jewbacca]

It's quite interesting for me to see the responses on here and other sites.

 

If they were roadies everyone would be screaming BURN THE WITCH and such like. Chris Froome was popped for something that isn't even banned and people were losing their sht about it.

 

Is it because they are gravity guys that people are more understanding/looking for excuses and not a shifty Spanish oke like Valverde?

I thought the same thing...

 

'It's in their supplements' excuse when it was in Contadors steak, Froomie accidentally overdosed etc yet they were crucified.

 

It is no surprise to me that some of these guys have been or will get popped. The public reaction is just interesting

[Patchelicious]

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[Odinson]

It's quite interesting for me to see the responses on here and other sites.

 

If they were roadies everyone would be screaming BURN THE WITCH and such like. Chris Froome was popped for something that isn't even banned and people were losing their sht about it.

 

Is it because they are gravity guys that people are more understanding/looking for excuses and not a shifty Spanish oke like Valverde?

 

 

I thought the same thing...

 

'It's in their supplements' excuse when it was in Contadors steak, Froomie accidentally overdosed etc yet they were crucified.

 

It is no surprise to me that some of these guys have been or will get popped. The public reaction is just interesting

 

I think it's also just the size of the sport's following. EWS is a niche, within a niche sport. So many DHers and parkrats don't give two ****s about EWS, so there's just fewer people to brainfart all over the internet. 

 

That being said, looking at the threads on Vital and the Pinkbike comment section, many folks are very sympathetic towards Graves and Rude. 

 

I suppose things will ratchet up when the Frenchies release their report. 

[Capricorn]

this one post on PB... in hindsight, it's so easy to say it was obvious, duh.

 

Right?

 

https://youtu.be/Eg_vlPvGOPc

 

 

 

Here's the questions and answers:

Q: On his Instagram Marco Osborne has a video from La Thuile, where Richie passes you on a climb, and then passes Jerome as well. Obviously, to catch Jerome, that's a good run 99% of the time, so to then have Richie come past both of you, how does that feel from your side?

A. It was unbelievable [laughs]. I was in super good shape, because I was working with my coach towards this race, and I said, "I want to be fast here." On the climb, I felt super strong. I dropped two or three gears, I felt like I had a lot of power. I saw Jerome just in front of me, like fifteen seconds ahead, so I said, "Yes, I'm fast. Let's go!" And just boom! [laughs] Like, what? What was that!? It was crazy. And then I was second at the bottom. And he passed me, and like was 32 seconds in front of me, and I said, "Oh, Damn. Maybe I feel good, but maybe I am not." And I see the results and I say, "What, I'm second?!" It's just a tough one.

Q. Does that give you more motivation?

A. Yeah, definitely. It definitely gives me more motivation. I say, "Okay, I need to train harder." But to be honest, it was just crazy. It was not a small stage, it was maybe 8 or 10 minutes, and the climb was steep. Normally when it's not so steep Richie is super strong, I guess because he's heavy and he has a lot of power. But that one was steep, so I say that's more for me because I'm light and I have less weight to climb. But no, definitely not... It was crazy."

[Headshot]

Both Graves and Rude are somewhat burly compared to the rest of the field - quite a few comments have centered on the fact that Rude does very well in what is essentially an endurance day out despite looking like a rugby player. He  wasn't doing so good early this year, then suddenly leapt to the front of the field. That said, if they were both on the juice, it seems Rude may have had the better cocktail...

[Jewbacca]

Both Graves and Rude are somewhat burly compared to the rest of the field - quite a few comments have centered on the fact that Rude does very well in what is essentially an endurance day out despite looking like a rugby player. He  wasn't doing so good early this year, then suddenly leapt to the front of the field. That said, if they were both on the juice, it seems Rude may have had the better cocktail...

Graves was also developing cancer.... that could slow you down a touch at the top of the field

[Headshot]

Graves was also developing cancer.... that could slow you down a touch at the top of the field

Yes indeed...

[stefmeister]

I think it's also just the size of the sport's following. EWS is a niche, within a niche sport. So many DHers and parkrats don't give two ****s about EWS, so there's just fewer people to brainfart all over the internet. 

 

That being said, looking at the threads on Vital and the Pinkbike comment section, many folks are very sympathetic towards Graves and Rude. 

 

I suppose things will ratchet up when the Frenchies release their report. 

Could also be that most people realize that PEDs won't necessarily win you anything when it's skills and talent that's at play.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Could also be that most people realize that PEDs won't necessarily win you anything when it's skills and talent that's at play.

Plus, I think a big difference is that the pro tour teams literally have teams of doctors and nutritionists telling them what to eat and what supplements to use. EWS - not so much. If you're sponsored you'll get a heap fo stuff, but you kinda get left to manage your own stuff and at best get info via mail / etc instead of being micromanaged, so the plausability of "it was a mistake and I didn't knowingly dope" may be a bit more plausible. 

 

At least, that's what I think the main diff would be. And maybe that's why it's such a big difference. 

 

Or we just may accept it as part of it. 

[Grease_Monkey]

Could also be that most people realize that PEDs won't necessarily win you anything when it's skills and talent that's at play.

It's a hell of alot easier to do an Enduro stage fast if you are fresh vs when you are bugerred though!

 

Have seen a few videos where DH guys cannot keep up with XC guys on the descents purely because they are buggered from climbing while the XC guy is not.

 

Tiredness = mistakes, poor line choice, and overall slower descents.

 

So yeah PEDs are not gonna help me win an EWS race no matter how fit I get, but it will help and EWS pro ride a better race because he will have more endurance than if he had not been on PEDs.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

It's a hell of alot easier to do an Enduro stage fast if you are fresh vs when you are bugerred though!

 

Have seen a few videos where DH guys cannot keep up with XC guys on the descents purely because they are buggered from climbing while the XC guy is not.

 

Tiredness = mistakes, poor line choice, and overall slower descents.

 

So yeah PEDs are not gonna help me win an EWS race no matter how fit I get, but it will help and EWS pro ride a better race because he will have more endurance than if he had not been on PEDs.

very, very true.