Absa Cape Epic 2022

[milky4130]

6 minutes ago, J Wakefield said:

Calories consumed is what person is taking in

Calories expended is what a person is using 

When you want to monitor or track workload it is calories expended over a stage or event.

To track calorie consumption is pretty easy to obtain. 

how accurate can the calories expended be when your heart rate is dropping every day in a Stage race?

[bolt67]

Lot of corporate / celeb entries - if you  don't pay out your own hard earned cash do you take it as seriously ..... ?

[DieselnDust]

3 minutes ago, J Wakefield said:

Calories consumed is what person is taking in

Calories expended is what a person is using 

When you want to monitor or track workload it is calories expended over a stage or event.

To track calorie consumption is pretty easy to obtain. 

yeah sorry thank for the correction, auto insert turned off now 🤣.

It started with an article i'm writing on fuel consumption.

So yes tracking the calories burned is a little difficult endeavour since weight, power output might not be accurately know to anyone not in the inner circle of trust and then the physiological efficiency isn't known either. S

We can make assumptions of course and aslong as the basis for the assumptions are the same across the sample riders then it is  possible to establish a useful pattern. We of course don't know the condition of the riders relative to themselves year to year.

[The Bull Shark]

23 minutes ago, bolt67 said:

Lot of corporate / celeb entries - if you  don't pay out your own hard earned cash do you take it as seriously ..... ?

I agree. I think there are a few that just wants to be seen on the Prologue start line.

[J Wakefield]

27 minutes ago, milky4130 said:

how accurate can the calories expended be when your heart rate is dropping every day in a Stage race?

When done correctly it is accurate. Do you want to do something like this or this detailed for Sani? No, Tour de cap? No.
For example over 21 days at the Tour our riders do not lose or pick up weight, we stay stable. yes sure, a top or increase ever so slightly here or there but in general nothing. 

[jcza]

Leave as is but do away with corporate hospitality (I know, unlikely to happen) 

Talking about kcals - I think it was Alexander Kristoff that gained 6kgs during week 1 of the TdF some years back. 

[J Wakefield]

2 minutes ago, jcza said:

Leave as is but do away with corporate hospitality (I know, unlikely to happen) 

Talking about kcals - I think it was Alexander Kristoff that gained 6kgs during week 1 of the TdF some years back. 

2019 and it was not 6kg. Not close either.
The reason was nutritional intake in terms of CHO per hour and was not periodised. Since 2020 that has never been a issue 

[jcza]

4 minutes ago, J Wakefield said:

2019 and it was not 6kg. Not close either.
The reason was nutritional intake in terms of CHO per hour and was not periodised. Since 2020 that has never been a issue 

Probably sensationalized By Cycling News: 

Now Alexander Kristoff has revealed very significant weight gain during the opening week of the Tour.

“There are many things that happened. Ultimately, the whole squad was too heavy,” he has now told cyclingnews.

“I maybe started the Tour at 77.9kg and after a few days I was close to 84kg. Then it’s difficult to perform.”

[eala]

I had no surprises from riders i followed .The well prepared made it , the under prepared did not .With under prepared i mean a very fit roadie /spinning bike rider that had not done a trail seeker even . Could not ride the downhills fast to make up time after the climbs and fell plenty times .The mentioned last lion rode with us last year .He was already carrying more weight than he should have. Another friend got a free entry a week before the start ,but he has an athletic background and was already fit .Their team made it in good time  .The only thing i would change about the whole event is to have a Solo category

Edited March 31, 2022 by eala

[DieselnDust]

2 minutes ago, jcza said:

Probably sensationalized By Cycling News: 

Now Alexander Kristoff has revealed very significant weight gain during the opening week of the Tour.

“There are many things that happened. Ultimately, the whole squad was too heavy,” he has now told cyclingnews.

“I maybe started the Tour at 77.9kg and after a few days I was close to 84kg. Then it’s difficult to perform.”

that sort of weight gain is entirely possible as its mostly water retention but over a week? Surely some jouralistic license is used? Maybe it was 10days i.e. halway through the Tour?.

However one would have to be extremely negligent on the dietary front to let this happen. Surely the rider would be feeling sick as a result??

So I'm with John on this it couldn't be that severe. Maybe half that? 3-kg

[jcza]

2 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

that sort of weight gain is entirely possible as its mostly water retention but over a week? Surely some jouralistic license is used? Maybe it was 10days i.e. halway through the Tour?.

However one would have to be extremely negligent on the dietary front to let this happen. Surely the rider would be feeling sick as a result??

So I'm with John on this it couldn't be that severe. Maybe half that? 3-kg

Who knows? Something wasn't right with the team, Dan Martin was also moaning. 

[DieselnDust]

9 minutes ago, eala said:

I had no surprises from riders i followed .The well prepared made it , the under prepared did not .With under prepared i mean a very fit roadie /spinning bike rider that had not done a trailseeker even . Could not ride the downhills fast to make up time after the climbs and fell plenty times .The mentioned last lion rode with us last year .He was already carrying more weight than he should have. Another friend got a free entry a week before the start ,but he has an athletic background and was already fit .Their team made it in good time  

and even more coming into the 2022 race...

[DieselnDust]

23 minutes ago, jcza said:

Who knows? Something wasn't right with the team, Dan Martin was also moaning. 

I recall and it appeared to be incredible incompetence but most of the teams have their riders nutrition pretty dialled hence I doubt it would be mistakes on that magnitude 

as an amateur I made some dietary mistakes at tour of good hope in 2018 and only ended up gaining 1kg over 5 days but the biggest impact was how flat I felt. No energy. Too much carbohydrate isn’t better 

[watsonr]

Far more profitable for the Epic to have riders pull out / not make cut-off. Catering for 800 people for 8 days versus planning to start catering for 800 people and taper it down to 400 7 days later.

[DieselnDust]

11 minutes ago, watsonr said:

Far more profitable for the Epic to have riders pull out / not make cut-off. Catering for 800 people for 8 days versus planning to start catering for 800 people and taper it down to 400 7 days later.

It doesn’t work that way. Food is bought and paid for before the event starts. There is always surplus

Edited March 31, 2022 by DieselnDust

[Danger Dassie]

1 hour ago, watsonr said:

Far more profitable for the Epic to have riders pull out / not make cut-off. Catering for 800 people for 8 days versus planning to start catering for 800 people and taper it down to 400 7 days later.

This is an often repeated nonsensical myth. Everything is paid and catered for ahead of time. If anything it's the opposite as the event has a logistics overflow for excess that needs to then be accounted for.