SRAM announce hangerless Eagle Transmission drivetrains

[Hairy]

2 minutes ago, Hairy said:

How many other riders have not snapped der. cables through the years leaving them to doctor a SS so that they can limp back over the finish line.

And then you get this guy ........... 

[DieselnDust]

1 minute ago, Headshot said:

I know of another rider - Masters women whose entire AXS stopped working  - had to do most of the day as a SS and without  the AXS dropper. Reinforces my view that electronics on a bicycle is a dumb idea... 

well I know from mechanics offering tech services that they worked on a lot of drivetrains through the week. Clutches particularly were problematic, and yes a few AXS systems were giving @&$!

And here’s the But…..

the AXS systems took less time to troubleshoot. In most cases it was wet battery contacts due to the battery not being wiped clean before fitting. The downfall of axs is leaving the bike outside under a tarp sans battery and then fitting it in the morning when there a lot of dew on the bikes. Moisture on the contacts can create havoc. So it’s a point of care that axs users should be aware of.

electronics on a Mtb is probably not the best idea for the weekend warrior. There’s not much that can be fixed save for replacing the battery and drying the electrical contacts. If it does bomb out then that’s it. 
super fast to replace one if you have the cash to do so 

[Hairy]

And these guys .... make the epic Epic

[Hairy]

2 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

well I know from mechanics offering tech services that they worked on a lot of drivetrains through the week. Clutches particularly were problematic, and yes a few AXS systems were giving @&$!

And here’s the But…..

the AXS systems took less time to troubleshoot. In most cases it was wet battery contacts due to the battery not being wiped clean before fitting. The downfall of axs is leaving the bike outside under a tarp sans battery and then fitting it in the morning when there a lot of dew on the bikes. Moisture on the contacts can create havoc. So it’s a point of care that axs users should be aware of.

electronics on a Mtb is probably not the best idea for the weekend warrior. There’s not much that can be fixed save for replacing the battery and drying the electrical contacts. If it does bomb out then that’s it. 
super fast to replace one if you have the cash to do so 

Cool, so @Headshot can rest easily then when doing the epic ... while blow drying his toupe for his day out on the bike, he can also just run the hair dryer over the contact points then

[DieselnDust]

20 minutes ago, TheoG said:

Then I completely missed that.  Wonder how much time that cost them and what was the impact on the race ...

I was under the impression, unlike last year with all the punctures, their only issues was that Andri simply couldn't keep up.

Nino mechanical was never explained. I think it was Blevins who said it looked like he had a few issues with shifting but based on the camera footage he didn’t appear to have any issues with too high or too low cadence for the terrain. He might be under gag order from SRAM to not talk about issues while they iron out any glitches. The Transmission. Bits have been   In pros bikes now for nearly a year i races and in training so I’m sure they ironed out everything major.

a mechanics issue could also be tyre related but it was fairly obvious they were lacking as a team. They shipped over 5min In stage 7. 

[TheoG]

7 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

Nino mechanical was never explained. I think it was Blevins who said it looked like he had a few issues with shifting but based on the camera footage he didn’t appear to have any issues with too high or too low cadence for the terrain. He might be under gag order from SRAM to not talk about issues while they iron out any glitches. The Transmission. Bits have been   In pros bikes now for nearly a year i races and in training so I’m sure they ironed out everything major.

a mechanics issue could also be tyre related but it was fairly obvious they were lacking as a team. They shipped over 5min In stage 7. 

Yip, as a team they were simply not up for the challenge.

[Headshot]

Good points made by our pundits except for the hair drier comment - I don't own one... yet. 

I fully agree that cable systems also f out - I mean recall those awful old bikes with multi piece cable outers - one wet ride and your shifting was shot - now with one piece outers they hardly notice rain or a bike wash. Of course its pretty easy to fit a fresh cable if it breaks  and its usually pretty obvious what the issue is, opposed to a mystery shifting failure on an AXS system. 

[lechatnoir]

59 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

Nino mechanical was never explained. I think it was Blevins who said it looked like he had a few issues with shifting but based on the camera footage he didn’t appear to have any issues with too high or too low cadence for the terrain. He might be under gag order from SRAM to not talk about issues while they iron out any glitches. The Transmission. Bits have been   In pros bikes now for nearly a year i races and in training so I’m sure they ironed out everything major.

a mechanics issue could also be tyre related but it was fairly obvious they were lacking as a team. They shipped over 5min In stage 7. 

yeah, after that time with Bauke Mollema...

[Hairy]

52 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Good points made by our pundits except for the hair drier comment - I don't own one... yet. 

I fully agree that cable systems also f out - I mean recall those awful old bikes with multi piece cable outers - one wet ride and your shifting was shot - now with one piece outers they hardly notice rain or a bike wash. Of course its pretty easy to fit a fresh cable if it breaks  and its usually pretty obvious what the issue is, opposed to a mystery shifting failure on an AXS system. 

Have you seen the price of replacement cables .. may be cheaper to replace the battery vs a new cable

[DieselnDust]

17 minutes ago, lechatnoir said:

yeah, after that time with Bauke Mollema...

yeah and yet Jumbo Visma are flying with Red AXS and not complaining about power loss or poor shifting or any other issues for that matter. When not performing its easy to blame the kit

[DieselnDust]

11 minutes ago, Hairy said:

Have you seen the price of replacement cables .. may be cheaper to replace the battery vs a new cable

you jest but you're not far off when you consider all the other trimmings that goes with a cabel replacement these days. May as well replace he headset bearing while you have the bike apart

[dasilvarsa]

1 hour ago, Hairy said:

How many other riders have not snapped der. cables through the years leaving them to doctor a SS so that they can limp back over the finish line.

You Should change it just before an Epic Race.

[lechatnoir]

10 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

yeah and yet Jumbo Visma are flying with Red AXS and not complaining about power loss or poor shifting or any other issues for that matter. When not performing its easy to blame the kit

that's currently being discussed in the classics thread... head there if you want some controversy 

[Headshot]

17 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

you jest but you're not far off when you consider all the other trimmings that goes with a cabel replacement these days. May as well replace he headset bearing while you have the bike apart

When you try and do a cable on a new Scott you need to take the headset off anyway because of the innovative and oh so necessary headset cable routing...(said nobody ever)

[splat]

1 hour ago, Headshot said:

I know of another rider - Masters women whose entire AXS stopped working  - had to do most of the day as a SS and without  the AXS dropper. Reinforces my view that electronics on a bicycle is a dumb idea... 

Sram batteries were in short supply that day. Many people had issues and there were none left to swap out at tech stations.

If its the same team you are speaking of, they also broke a rear mech hanger the day before. Not fixable trailside AND they had the wrong one. Also had to single speed to next tech station.

[Headshot]

2 hours ago, Hairy said:

How many other riders have not snapped der. cables through the years leaving them to doctor a SS so that they can limp back over the finish line.

What, didn't this multitude you speak of have spare cables and a multi tools on them?