SRAM announce hangerless Eagle Transmission drivetrains

[W Smith]

5 hours ago, V18 said:

All I read was even cheaper 1x11 components in the near future. I\'m more than happy to scavenge perfectly working parts off those who want to ride the \"best\".

My thoughts as well.

 

[DieselnDust]

8 hours ago, BaGearA said:

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there are brands missing, e.g. Cannondale but I suspect that because only the 2023 HiMOd SCalpel and Scalpel HT are compatible with UDH

[PregoRoll]

Not sure if this has already been posted, But this guy makes some good points. 

 

[Brassmonkey]

To everyone who still says that a hanger in one form or another is better, and that this is another pointless innovation…. Go check exactly how this beauty works. You could literally stomp on it, and it will be fine. And the parts that can break are replaceable. Go youtube it: game_changing stuff. Like 29-ers. Or bikes with full suspension. Or front only suspension. Or bikes with gears. Or pneumatic tyres. 1 drawback: not cross compatible with older stuff.

[DieselnDust]

22 minutes ago, PregoRoll said:

Not sure if this has already been posted, But this guy makes some good points. 

 

Read the comments section for both videos.

[PregoRoll]

9 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

Read the comments section for both videos.

Shot, will add that to my watch list for tonight

[lechatnoir]

29 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

Read the comments section for both videos.

interesting... putting credence into YT comments... well I never...

[DieselnDust]

29 minutes ago, lechatnoir said:

interesting... putting credence into YT comments... well I never...

The only idea he still clings is that the friction washer will damage the frame over time with multiple impacts. I’m still tending to disagree with him but I’ll reserve judgement until I’m in a position to actually own this kit and run it long term like I have my current Mechanical XX1 (5yrs).

I don’t see it as an issue because there are many examples with this solution is employed to provide a no. Slip friction surface on a composite material or a softer material. Caliper brakes (rim brake) mounts come to mind.

consider that there multiple design features that reduce the derailleur vulnerability is this serrated friction plate an issue? Maybe but I don’t think it is. Only definitive answer will come from user feedback and owner experiences 

[Hairy]

18 hours ago, RocknRolla said:

What's a magic gear?

Marketing Wizardry at it's best....

(No engineers need to respond, because I really don't care)

 

 

As a rider who has dabbled in the dark arts of single speeding ... the "magic gear" does exist! 

[Hairy]

18 hours ago, Yyyy said:

If I had an older bike that's not UDH compatible but wanted to upgrade to AXS 12 speed eagle, this new transmission is out of the question.

Assumption here is that current AXS 12 speed will be discontinued and once sold out they out. 

I do like this advancement in tech and the 12 speed AXS is something i would be interested to upgrade to.

I am aware that there is will still be stock of older AXS and there is still a 2nd hand market but I am highlighting a valid scenario where this new tech is not available to you unless you upgrade your frame.

The same way people moved over to new frames when the shift from V-Brakes to Disc Brakes happened.

There are enough battery operated options available to riders on standard frames, and there will still be for some time ... you may even find that the pricing gets a little better in the near future.

Run what you have till it breaks, and then look to see what is available on the market.

Getting upset because innovation requires change = we may well still just be rolling on fully rigid bikes with K@K@ brakes and components.

[RocknRolla]

4 minutes ago, Hairy said:

As a rider who has dabbled in the dark arts of single speeding ... the "magic gear" does exist! 

In the realm of SS, I am more than familiar with the magic gear... thus the reason for my questioning of their "magic gear" and the right to call it such.

 

[Headshot]

33 minutes ago, Hairy said:

The same way people moved over to new frames when the shift from V-Brakes to Disc Brakes happened.

There are enough battery operated options available to riders on standard frames, and there will still be for some time ... you may even find that the pricing gets a little better in the near future.

Run what you have till it breaks, and then look to see what is available on the market.

Getting upset because innovation requires change = we may well still just be rolling on fully rigid bikes with K@K@ brakes and components.

Good points, but things like disk brakes arrived when the bike industry wasn't trying so hard to rip consumers a new one so a frame upgrade was probably not a mortgage altering affair. I don't have an issue with improved performance - which this design (excluding the silly electronic shift assist) seems to provide. It also looks good.  I do have an issue with overpriced bling that is basically unaffordable to most people being shoved done my throat on every YT channel as if its the equivalent  of intelligent life being found on Uranus. 🙂 

[Hairy]

6 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Good points, but things like disk brakes arrived when the bike industry wasn't trying so hard to rip consumers a new one so a frame upgrade was probably not a mortgage altering affair. I don't have an issue with improved performance - which this design (excluding the silly electronic shift assist) seems to provide. It also looks good.  I do have an issue with overpriced bling that is basically unaffordable to most people being shoved done my throat on every YT channel as if its the equivalent  of intelligent life being found on Uranus. 🙂 

I agree that cycling is seen as a premium luxury sport that has seriously become stupidly expensive in my person view. This I have voiced before on BH ... small things like the price of chains or even just a good old fashioned tube are stoooopid.

But back in the day when I worked in an LBS I recall my first decent MTB was pretty much three full paychecks for me (Granted the pay was K@K@). The sport still felt like it was accessible financially.

Someone who was in the Windsurfing scene before it took off and then at it's hay day noted that he was seeing cycling following a similar trend where it get's to the point of being just too expensive, and then the industry collapses on itself. I do hope this never happens.

[The Ouzo]

13 minutes ago, Hairy said:

ISomeone who was in the Windsurfing scene before it took off and then at it's hay day noted that he was seeing cycling following a similar trend where it get's to the point of being just too expensive, and then the industry collapses on itself. I do hope this never happens.

There are a few reasons I dont think that the industry will totally collapse

a) Unlike Windsurfing, cycling is a form of transport, so even if the recreation side goes to S#!t , the transport side will still be ticking over. So we may not get the marginal gains innovations but the basics will still be there

b) Golf has not collapsed. Despite the entire cycling in the new golf thing, golf is still very much a multi billion $ industry with those little sticks still costing stupid money

c) Cycling is alot more accessible than windsurfing in that windsurfing requires a body of water, cycling can be done on or off road straight from your front door.

 

So we may see a bubble burst, but I doubt there will be a collapse.

[droo]

With all the bleating about pricing and new standards, there's one thing I'm not understanding.

If you're looking to spend R 30k on a top tier electronic derailleur, you're probably already riding something that's up to date enough to have a UDH. If you're wanting to put an XX1 AXS RD onto a 10 year old MTB frame you may be approaching the "problem" from the wrong angle - you'll get far better bang for your buck elsewhere on the bike. Suspension, wheels, or a frame with more up-to-date geo will make a far bigger difference than the latest and greatest rear mech, no matter what the salesman at the local bike supermarket will tell you.

If you want a new drivetrain on your old frame, buy something else. Don't hate on new stuff just cos it won't work for you - let's face it, you were never going to buy it anyway. And the guys who made it know that.

/rant

[Scott roy]

 

I think most won’t easily hit their rd this hard ever unless something goes tragically wrong