SRAM announce hangerless Eagle Transmission drivetrains

[Hairy]

54 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

How many derailleurs did they break before they gave up and singlespeeded home!?

only the hearts and souls of those they passed every day

[zeerpuD1]

Try Janus at Evobikes. I just bought an AXS battery for under R1000. Also placed an order for new SRAM derailer. Don’t know when it will be available in SA but think it’s worth the wait. 

[shaper]

Shimano about to do similar...

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-derailleur-hanger-patent/

[Hairy]

7 minutes ago, shaper said:

Shimano about to do similar...

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-derailleur-hanger-patent/

Shimano are joining the party so late, they may just as well be patenting wireless single speed shifting .... or a lockout lever on your shifter to lock out your rigid fork.

[DieselnDust]

1 hour ago, shaper said:

Shimano about to do similar...

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/shimano-derailleur-hanger-patent/

law suit incoming

[TheoG]

9 hours ago, Hairy said:

Shimano are joining the party so late, they may just as well be patenting wireless single speed shifting .... or a lockout lever on your shifter to lock out your rigid fork.

SRAM introduced it, Shimano will perfect it .... 🤪🤣😂

Edited March 28, 2023 by TheoG

[shaper]

More likely they are doing it as good business sense,  If all the frames are going to be designed direct mount, then it makes sense for shimano to have a direct mount RD option?

[DieselnDust]

34 minutes ago, BaGearA said:

Shimano will also most likely use the udh bikes 

 

but if udh is open source  then will using that space to mount the Shimano setup really breach something?

UDH is open source, direct mount not so much. Shimano is trying to get around SRAM patents but adding a limit adjustment screw instead of the grip washers the rest of it so lightly different in some small details which is going to invoke some court cases I suspect. It will be interesting to see if the patent is actually granted . Applying for a patent is one thing , having it awarded is another and the US patent office is being more conscientious in an effort to protect real innovation unlike just a few years ago when they were awarding anything that was worded smartly 

[MORNE]

 

[DieselnDust]

2 hours ago, MORNE said:

 

already posted back on page 10 but good to reinforce it. These puppies are waaaay stronger than a hanger based system. Mr PT is strangely quiet on this topic...

[Headshot]

3 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

already posted back on page 10 but good to reinforce it. These puppies are waaaay stronger than a hanger based system. Mr PT is strangely quiet on this topic...

I must say I have had more Shimano derailleur issues eg klapping into spokes and such like than I have ever had with the only SRAM mech I've had a GX 11s. Its a tough cookie. The newer Shimano stuff looks beefier though.

[MORNE]

4 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

already posted back on page 10 but good to reinforce it. These puppies are waaaay stronger than a hanger based system. Mr PT is strangely quiet on this topic...

Sorry, didnt follow the thread. But yes, this kind of convinced me too.
And here I am wishing my axs gets smashed in a crash so i can revert back to ‘Amish’ derailleurs. I cant be bothered with having to charge my bicycle to use it, and I really don't like the tv remote shifter. I miss the tactility of the mechanicals for sure.

Edited March 29, 2023 by MORNE

[MORNE]

1 hour ago, Headshot said:

I must say I have had more Shimano derailleur issues eg klapping into spokes and such like than I have ever had with the only SRAM mech I've had a GX 11s. Its a tough cookie. The newer Shimano stuff looks beefier though.

In think all the 11s stuff was pretty good.

still totally worth it for a cost conscious build.  

[DieselnDust]

7 minutes ago, MORNE said:

In think all the 11s stuff was pretty good.

still totally worth it for a cost conscious build.  

Or for XCO racing if you’re strong enough to cope

[PhilipV]

On 3/27/2023 at 8:46 PM, Hairy said:

Shimano are joining the party so late, they may just as well be patenting wireless single speed shifting .... or a lockout lever on your shifter to lock out your rigid fork.

Sram is celebrating being able to shift under load with this. I've been having it on my Deore 12spd build for three years.

On 3/28/2023 at 6:43 AM, TheoG said:

SRAM introduced it, Shimano will perfect it .... 🤪🤣😂

Or put it in at mid spec price points as well immediately when it goes to market. 

[DieselnDust]

3 hours ago, PhilipV said:

Sram is celebrating being able to shift under load with this. I've been having it on my Deore 12spd build for three years.

Or put it in at mid spec price points as well immediately when it goes to market. 

I’m not sure why they make a big deal of this shifting under load because my 11s XX1 shifter just fine under load, 12 s eagle was better and the new Transmission stuff is just quieter, slightly slower to shift and more deliberate. I guess small improvements are worth making a lot of noise over when commentators are talking about Shimano smooth shifting.

even under load current mechanical eagle shifts accurately and reliably, it’s just noisy /clunky