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16 minutes ago, Simon123 said:

Make sure this statement is given as part of evidence.   

 

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EDIT - the part of me that is boiling over would provide this feedback, i.e. PRE-reporting the behaviour and the NON action from the authorities, to each and every media outlet .....

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Posted
23 hours ago, Naidy said:

The cyclist name is Idries Sheriff. One of the nicest people youll meet on and off the bike. He just loved riding, 

Just lost a good friend. 

 

Sad loss RIP. Condolences to the family.

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Condolences to the family of the rider 😢

The reporting on incidents like this is a huge part of the problem. Case in point:

"Emergency services responded to the scene where a car on Victoria Road, Camps Bay, knocked a cyclist down."

bull****! The car didn't kill the cyclist, the motorist did! It's about time the human involved (aka motorist) was acknowledged.

As someone who has been struck 3 times by motorists, I can guarantee that it wasn't the car's fault! It was entirely on the motorist & their actions.

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11 hours ago, neilbenjamin said:

There were two cars parked outside the Pick n Pay at 05h30 when we passed them this morning, doors open, having a party while the sun was coming up and it looked like they were wasted. The driver in the blue BMW has taken an innocent, beautiful soul away from his family and friends today. 100% avoidable, unnecessary and tragic. I sincerely hope that the law takes swift and merciless action on this individual. 

 

3 hours ago, NoncyclingNic said:

I went swimming at the tidal pool yesterday and noticed them parked outside. A very upset jogger was calling the police and notified local security that they were drinking and driving. They were apparently racing and one vehicle had mounted the curb and nearly struck him. 
 

My stomach sank when I saw the news of the cyclist; and when I saw it was the same BMW I felt ill. Someone tried to intervene before this happened and nothing was done. 

Guys please take the time and effort to add your voices as eyewitnesses.

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35 minutes ago, NC_lurker said:

Condolences to the family of the rider 😢

The reporting on incidents like this is a huge part of the problem. Case in point:

"Emergency services responded to the scene where a car on Victoria Road, Camps Bay, knocked a cyclist down."

bull****! The car didn't kill the cyclist, the motorist did! It's about time the human involved (aka motorist) was acknowledged.

As someone who has been struck 3 times by motorists, I can guarantee that it wasn't the car's fault! It was entirely on the motorist & their actions.

A 27 year old man has killed another man with a car

If a drunk guy killed another man on the street with a knife, a gun or a big piece of metal it would be a very different story.

But it is a car, so it's an accident first that may or may not have been more sinister but.....

 

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3 hours ago, NoncyclingNic said:

I went swimming at the tidal pool yesterday and noticed them parked outside. A very upset jogger was calling the police and notified local security that they were drinking and driving. They were apparently racing and one vehicle had mounted the curb and nearly struck him. 
 

My stomach sank when I saw the news of the cyclist; and when I saw it was the same BMW I felt ill. Someone tried to intervene before this happened and nothing was done. 

I was also at the tidal pool at the time and heard all the sirens - you just know something bad has happened. I see on FB there is a photo of the LPC group approaching them at the traffic light before they had left the party spot in their vehicles. The sad thing is that where they were partying is 150m from the law enforcement and Camps Bay security offices where the shifts change and its 300m from the SAPS station - I cant believe that one of those officers didnt see what was happening and intervene. 

But its a bit like my request to make a very dangerous portion of road just a bit safer - there is no accountability or urgency. Weeks go bye, cases get closed without investigation, everything is outsourced - but most of all responsibility is outsourced.

Accidents happen, but when they are avoidable and nothing got done - there must be severe repercussions. You cant take a public servant salary - but look the other way when its too much bother.

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12 minutes ago, Bro Derek said:

A 27 year old man has killed another man with a car

If a drunk guy killed another man on the street with a knife, a gun or a big piece of metal it would be a very different story.

But it is a car, so it's an accident first that may or may not have been more sinister but.....

 

There's another one...the word that needs to be used is "collision". An accident suggests it might not have been avoidable whereas the majority of collisions involving motorists, could easily have been avoided.

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Bro Derek said:

A 27 year old man has killed another man with a car

If a drunk guy killed another man on the street with a knife, a gun or a big piece of metal it would be a very different story.

But it is a car, so it's an accident first that may or may not have been more sinister but.....

 

Yes, that's why the charge will be culpable homicide i.e the negligent causing of another's death. Not something that they usually charge a knife attacker with. In this case the drunkenness, speeding, possible attempt to leave the scene and obvious negligent driving are AGGRAVATING  circumstances. 

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Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Yes, that's why the charge will be culpable homicide i.e the negligent causing of another's death. Not something that they usually charge a knife attacker with. In this case the drunkenness, speeding, possible attempt to leave the scene and obvious negligent driving are (extenuating circumstances) aggravating circumstances...

The opposite of extenuating circumstances (factors that lessen blame) are aggravating circumstances, which are factors that make a person's actions seem worse, more severe, or increase their culpability, such as premeditation or cruelty.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Bro Derek said:

A 27 year old man has killed another man with a car

If a drunk guy killed another man on the street with a knife, a gun or a big piece of metal it would be a very different story.

But it is a car, so it's an accident first that may or may not have been more sinister but.....

 

So right…

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This 1 hurts badly, A real gent, spent many hours alongside 1 another on the bike, Was so happy 2yrs ago when his wife was pregnant, Couldn't wait to become a Dad, and now a POS takes away a friend, husband and father because in SA, the consequences for breaking the law depend on how good your lawyer is, Not the severity of the crime committed (Simons Town case a perfect example).

 

I also read that when one the passing cyclists shouted at the driver that he had killed one of us, He gave them the middle finger.. (Hearsay for now)

I am sad and angry, I think more angry than sad for now, this just sucks man...😭

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