Cyclist down Camps Bay

[tinmug]

47 minutes ago, Mook said:

The problem is not a lack of legislation, but rather positive convictions. Good SC's are found in the private sector at tremendous cost. These suits  usually wipe the floor with the prosecuting skills SA has, hence the low % of convictions.

The NPA is a national body where Winde has zero influence. He is trying very hard to have law enforcement authority delegated from SAPS to the Western Province government.

I believe SAPS/Authorities were made aware of the piss up in the streets by these thugs before this incident happened. 

This is simply a lawless country 🤬 

I would say the problem is not even lack of conviction, it's the lack of enforcement. The rules are in place, just put a stop this kind of thing from happening in the first place.

And that part of the equation does fall under Winde's sphere of influence (it literally is his job).

And of course, yes, I do agree that it is positive that he made an appearance at the court proceedings (cheeky, but good). Now get back to work and slow the carnage down.

[Mamil]

Well done to Enca for naming the culprit. Too often the victims name is splashed about and the perp skulks away in anonymity. 

I have oped to ride indoors today because i am afraid of being hurt but also because im not sure that i can trust myself if im close passed or see some Muppet treating the public space as a stage for his own narcissistic pleasure. 

I only knew Idries by sight but his death has affected me deeply. 

 

 

[Paul Ruinaard]

15 hours ago, tinmug said:

Strikes me as a little odd that Winde is participating in a PPA ride in support of safer roads when a fair chunk of the blood shed falls squarely on his shoulders. Where is the law enforcement that literally falls under his command? Or am I missing some crucial here?

This is not totally accurate. Law enforcemnt aka SAPS falls under national govt not local govt, so its the minister of police that is more directly accountable - our friends from the kleptocracy up north including Cele who , if his brains were made out of nitro glyceine, wouldn t have enough to blow his hat off. So not the provincial Govt. Local Metro police i am not certain on - and for that i agree.

This is the same issue with crime fighting in the Cape Flats and the issue with Transnet being a national govt entity. The ANC would rather point at the cape flats gang problems as an issue with the DA in W Cape and play politics than try and fix the problems. Gives them something to point at that they think maybe gives the ANC a chance to win the cape back. 

Its the same with policing - W Cape Govt has been trying to get it under their control for the longest time. I would expect that the W Cape Govt could do a lot better job at this than Cele and his crew of kleptocrats with Cyril the prime thief.

I can assure you there is more action here in the W Cape than there ever has been in Gauteng. Many court cases there where drivers were drunk and killed cyclists or people bike jacked, the dockets mysteriously disappeared. At least here you have a chance of seeing justice here.

This is such a one sided conflict. All the killings of cyclists result in minimal consequences and in general no sanction even when the misconduct is blatant. Its not only South Africa, its in the USA and the UK as well. Cyclists are villified and often the general consensus is that they are entitled ponces slowing everyone down. Until that changes its a scary situation.

In my opinion they need to use the same tactics that Afriforum used with the farm killings. Make the people real. Make people realise the guys riding the bikes on Sunday are fathers and brothers and sisters and someone relies on them as well, so their unlawful and criminal actions are potentially depriving someone else of a support of a loved one or their husband or father.  Stop the people from just being numbers and statistics and make them human. Stay Wider the rider should have a face on their stickers and who their family is. PPA has a lot of funds. Humanise the tragedy - make people have a lump in their throats when they hear of this case and a young kid two years old who has lost a father potentially owing to the criminal negligence of another person. Make the consequences real - not in the form of sentences but in the way this person will never forget. Their misddeds and criminal actions will echo down the years for all the people who have lost loved ones

It has to change - the current situation will just carry on otherwise - we are in summer in prime cycling season and the chances are we will see posts like this or hear stories about the people who die on a regular basis as peope are out there on the roads. At some time it may come really close and its always possible its one of us. Nothing like the sound of a 16 wheeler behind you on a narrow road to make a cold fear rise up through your stomach when you are out on a ride. 

My sincere condolences to the family and the loved ones of all the people so senselessly killed in Camps Bay and in Worcester. It will be a tough Xmas for many a year to come owing to this for you and your family, long after this case has concluded in the courts.

 

 

 

 

[tinmug]

You are right @Paul Ruinaard , SAPS should do more.

But then what are the Metro Police (et al) for?

 

[Headshot]

3 hours ago, Shebeen said:

Sorry to bring up the simonstown incident again, (it's on the Worcester case as a hit and run), but it should really have been a slam dunk. Then this happened along the way. 

 

Navy employee, Garth Pasha appeared in court and pleaded guilty to two charges. He was originally charged with attempted murder but on Friday the charges were reduced to reckless driving and failing to stop at the scene of an accident. The was no explanation from the state why the charge was changed.

Pasha pleaded guilty to reduced charges of reckless driving and failing to stop and the scene of a crash.

 

 

It appears that blood was not taken, as it was nmot reported in the case - surely this won't be the case here.

Attempted murder was never going to fly in a case like this unless there was evidence that he had planned i.e intended to try and kill a cyclist with his car, something which could easily be inferred if he had shot at the rider from his car....

[Anthem24]

3 hours ago, tinmug said:

You are right @Paul Ruinaard , SAPS should do more.

But then what are the Metro Police (et al) for?

 

The Premier of the Western Cape, Alan Winde, has no jurisdiction over the metro police either, since they fall under the City of Cape Town metropolitan municipality.

 

The Premier’s powers are indirect and supervisory, not operational.

a. Provincial oversight of policing (limited)

Under Section 206(3)–(5) of the Constitution, the province may:

• Monitor police conduct

• Promote good relations between police and communities

• Assess policing effectiveness

• Liaise with national government on policing issues

This applies mainly to SAPS, not Metro Police — but some coordination can occur.

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b. Policy, funding, and cooperation

The Western Cape government:

• Can fund or co-fund safety initiatives

• Can enter into intergovernmental agreements with the City

• Often works jointly on crime prevention strategies

But:

Funding or cooperation does not equal command authority

The City can refuse provincial involvement unless required by law.

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c. Provincial legislation (within limits)

The province may pass legislation affecting:

• Community safety frameworks

• Oversight structures

• Reporting requirements

However, it cannot legislate itself into control of Metro Police operations, because local policing is a municipal executive competence.

[ChrisF]

2 hours ago, Anthem24 said:

The Premier of the Western Cape, Alan Winde, has no jurisdiction over the metro police either, since they fall under the City of Cape Town metropolitan municipality.

 

The Premier’s powers are indirect and supervisory, not operational.

a. Provincial oversight of policing (limited)

Under Section 206(3)–(5) of the Constitution, the province may:

• Monitor police conduct

• Promote good relations between police and communities

• Assess policing effectiveness

• Liaise with national government on policing issues

This applies mainly to SAPS, not Metro Police — but some coordination can occur.

---

b. Policy, funding, and cooperation

The Western Cape government:

• Can fund or co-fund safety initiatives

• Can enter into intergovernmental agreements with the City

• Often works jointly on crime prevention strategies

But:

Funding or cooperation does not equal command authority

The City can refuse provincial involvement unless required by law.

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c. Provincial legislation (within limits)

The province may pass legislation affecting:

• Community safety frameworks

• Oversight structures

• Reporting requirements

However, it cannot legislate itself into control of Metro Police operations, because local policing is a municipal executive competence.

 

So basically just another powerless desk jockey .... 

 

Imagine a world where the PROVINCIAL PREMIERE could call the MAYOR (who also cycles) .... as much as the legal structure limits "command influence", the City do sell itself as a tourist and cycling tourist destination ....

 

They, Windie and Gordon, DO "ensure" the City is cleaned before big events .... they CAN speak to the right people to ensure "departments fulfill their mandate" .... at the very least, this is what this voter expects.

 

 

If they truly can do nothing for cyclists .... why the public shows at cycling events ??  Sounds like they want votes from the group they cant help .... yes, frustrated and very sceptic of the promises and no show ...

[Bro Derek]

So here's the thing.

They can't be everywhere all the time. 

They CAN be somewhere and to be honest, I have been thoroughly impressed by the police presence on the roads, the beach areas and the highways.

People getting drunk and driving, speeding and driving recklessly is tragic, but in an affluent area is less prevalent than other places, especially on public holidays, which have massively high incidents of car wrecks, domestic violence, gang killings, taxi violence etc

So there is a definite need for large police presence in these areas. Spoiled rich kids behaving like idiots in historically 'less problematic areas' is an anomaly.

I also see all the backlash when people ARE arrested for drunk driving in affluent areas - 'Go and catch REAL criminals! Stop picking on us soft targets when there are actual criminals out there doing what they want!' and other straw man arguments which seem to be supported by the 1 braincell community.

The police then go and deal with said real criminals and get told to rather deal with drunk drivers in the richest suburb in Cape Town. 

Unfortunately incidents like this are only really preventable by changing the culture of drinking, changing the narrative around social norms AND making a massive example out of everyone who gets caught. 

Until that shift happens and people see alcohol as a drug and being drunk as unattractive, these cool kids and incidents like this one specifically will continue to plague us 

[betaboy]

Time for cycling SA to grow some balls and put forward some sort of discussions. How many must die while our federation watches from the sidelines? They need to start representing us at a higher level to address their members. It’s so nice just taking the weekend day licences…👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Edited December 18, 2025 by betaboy

[ChrisF]

6 minutes ago, betaboy said:

Time for cycling SA to grow some balls and put forward some sort of discussions. How many must die while our federation watches from the sidelines? They need to start representing us at a higher level to address their members. It’s so nice just taking the weekend day licences…👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

 

As an annual CSA license holder I support this line of thought ....

[Sticky Bottle]

20 hours ago, Headshot said:

Attempted murder was never going to fly in a case like this unless there was evidence that he had planned i.e intended to try and kill a cyclist with his car, something which could easily be inferred if he had shot at the rider from his car....

Unless one can perhaps argue Dolus Eventualis?

[NC_lurker]

16 hours ago, Bro Derek said:

Unfortunately incidents like this are only really preventable by changing the culture of drinking, changing the narrative around social norms AND making a massive example out of everyone who gets caught. 

Until that shift happens and people see alcohol as a drug and being drunk as unattractive, these cool kids and incidents like this one specifically will continue to plague us 

This ☝️

It blows my mind that it's seen as socially acceptable to drink alcohol in volume and then get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, or just that getting drunk is cool & desirable.

I've always wondered who's driving the vehicles home when I see people in the beer tent after sporting events (and yes cycle races are top of mind).

[Yes, I do drink alcohol but in moderation and no more than a single beer if I'm going to be driving later]

Edited December 19, 2025 by NC_lurker
Clarification

[DJR]

Can we, this time, for a change, contribute to funding a tattoo artist rather than a street artist to do a memorial for our brother-in-cycling who was recently killed by the drunk driver?

I suggest a pink neon tattoo on the motherfuckers' forehead that will make him stand out like the necrotic rotten thumb that his is!

[DJR]

It's Friday, in late December, and I'm waaaaay worse than grumpy.

[DJR]

On 12/17/2025 at 6:39 PM, ChrisF said:

 

Bail ... as long as the accused is not a flight risk, nor interferes with witnesses they always get bail ..... sucks, but we have seen this many times.

 question for the legal experts .... why this 6 month delay before the case starts ??

Methinks, we need much more swift justice. 

Justice delayed for many months and often many years, do not serve the any positive purpose for the family and loved ones on whose behalf the state is suppose to prosecute the perpetrator. All it does is to drag out the agony, delay their grieving process and traumatise them over and over. 

[Prince Albert Cycles]

24 minutes ago, DJR said:

Methinks, we need much more swift justice. 

Justice delayed for many months and often many years, do not serve the any positive purpose for the family and loved ones on whose behalf the state is suppose to prosecute the perpetrator. All it does is to drag out the agony, delay their grieving process and traumatise them over and over. 

So true .  Would have loved to see the &$#@% in Court by Monday and put away before Christmas