Seyffert receives two year ban from competition

[eddy]

But, if its a scedule 5 drug for obesity, where is the doc that prescibed it to a 8% body fat person?

 

Maybe it just worked realy, really well.............. I clearly need some too ;-)

[Wayne Potgieter]

 

Elaborate?

download the list and see for yourself.

[stringbean]

can you tell us the name of this app. I downloaded the Wada app and it wants the specific ingredients. Not so easy when you are sitting in a doctors rooms and they are prescribing stuff for you. And app whereby i can just type Neurofen etc would be very handy to me.

 

Drugfreesport.It's been around for a long time,I use it all the time and it's great.

 

http://www.cyclingsa.com/Article.aspx?uid=494

[Tumbleweed]

OK, looking at the Wikipedia description of Phentermine, I notice that it is an appetite suppressant. No performance-enhancing benefits are listed.

 

Why end someone's career because of this drug?

Why is it illegal?

Am I missing something?

 

Yes.

[SURFER]

OK, looking at the Wikipedia description of Phentermine, I notice that it is an appetite suppressant. No performance-enhancing benefits are listed.

 

Why end someone's career because of this drug?

Why is it illegal?

Am I missing something?

 

 

They use this drug to mask the performance drugs that they use. The drug on its own will not help your performance. Shelck brother was banned last year for simmiliar drug

[Ramrod]

Drugfreesport.It's been around for a long time,I use it all the time and it's great.

 

http://www.cyclingsa...le.aspx?uid=494

Thanks now i can delete the crappy Wada one

 

edit: Am i being dof but how do i change my "store" to SA?

Edited July 24, 2013 by specializedfan

[TALUS]

But, if its a scedule 5 drug for obesity, where is the doc that prescibed it to a 8% body fat person?

The doctor might have prescribed it for a fat friend or family member. Do you think his name was on the prescription...??? Never

 

 

 

They use this drug to mask the performance drugs that they use. The drug on its own will not help your performance. Shelck brother was banned last year for simmiliar drug

It IS a stimulant. It is similar to amphetamine which is the drug that killed Simpson on Alp d'huez. Schleck was banned for a diuretic which IS a masking agent.Do you really think his name was on the script? HA-HA Edited July 24, 2013 by TALUS

[Daideron]

Do you really believe these guys obey the 'must have prescription for drug supply' rule?! They get them from dodgy chemists or suppliers. Reps have access to drugs as well. It could come from a whole host of places.

[Wayne Potgieter]

Allow me to clarify my position.

 

I am in no way defending doping.

 

But i do believe that not all offences are created equal.

 

Scenario one.

 

Lance Armstrong, years of lies and bribes and blatant cheating and disregard for the rules.

 

Scenario two.

 

Taking a sinumax tab a few days before an event to cope with a head cold. and not realising it is on the list.

 

Both are wrong, it is the athletes responsibility to know, but they are not equal.

 

Scenario 2 should still be taken to task, and in my opinion, that is the reason for lesser sentences over lifetime bans.

 

Savvy?

[JA-Q001]

You see, that's just it, his name was probably not on it, so for who was it made out to, there are more guilty people than this one person in this one occurrence, so that 3rd party has to be sorted out as well.

[SwissVan]

Allow me to clarify my position.

 

I am in no way defending doping.

 

But i do believe that not all offences are created equal.

 

Scenario one.

 

Lance Armstrong, years of lies and bribes and blatant cheating and disregard for the rules.

 

Scenario two.

 

Taking a sinumax tab a few days before an event to cope with a head cold. and not realising it is on the list.

 

Both are wrong, it is the athletes responsibility to know, but they are not equal.

 

Scenario 2 should still be taken to task, and in my opinion, that is the reason for lesser sentences over lifetime bans.

 

Savvy?

 

Scenario 3

 

Athlete takes seemingly innocent substance used for a cold, sore throat, sore bum, weight loss, ect.... knowing full well its on the banned list but claims innocence when testing positive.

 

Humans are actually snakes on 2 legs and will abuse any system that offers softer sentences for certain circumstances.

 

 

There's only 2 options with doping positive tests:

 

1. Zero Tolerance

 

2. Keine Toleranz

[Wayne Potgieter]

Scenario 3

 

Athlete takes seemingly innocent substance used for a cold, sore throat, sore bum, weight loss, ect.... knowing full well its on the banned list but claims innocence when testing positive.

 

Humans are actually snakes on 2 legs and will abuse any system that offers softer sentences for certain circumstances.

 

 

There's only 2 options with doping positive tests:

 

1. Zero Tolerance

 

2. Keine Toleranz

 

Hence the need for an investigation.

 

Swiss, i am not in any way saying that a minor offence should be swept away, there must be repurcussions, but does a minor infringement deserve a lifetime ban as some are suggesting?

[Wez-O]

So since the winner of the Ride for Sight race was a druggie and has been banned, does this mean my seeding for that race will improve?

[Wez-O]

They use this drug to mask the performance drugs that they use. The drug on its own will not help your performance. Shelck brother was banned last year for simmiliar drug

What Surfer said

[Baaisikilist]

 

What Surfer said

 

Though it can mask other PED's, on it's own it can actually enhance performance, in a similar way to Ephedra. It's an Amphetamine.

[GoLefty!!]

Lots of high-horsing with this topic but I look at these drugs which are dubious performance enhancers and I wonder if things haven't gone too far?

 

Surely if someone wants to cheat he won't take appetite suppressants? EPO is the drug of choice in this sport and the drug that gives most people the most benefit. It is also impossible to detect outside the "glow". Yes, it is expensive and Phentermine is cheap (I imagine) but that's certainly not the motivation that drove Pieter to taking a diet pill. I imagine he took it 'cause he was feeling a bit tight in his pants and tries to eat less. He may even be unaware of the effects of high-carb diets and supplements on your appetite and the very stuff that fuels him is making him constantly hungry.

 

We could of course argue that he wanted to loose weight to win but I find it difficult to relate that to cheating. Boxers de-hydrate before weigh-in. Arguably cycling is not about the actual number on the scale and less weight is an advantage. However, if this was a calculated move and Pieter took one look at the list of nasty side-effects, many of which are counter-productive to cycling, he would have chosen another cheating drug, not Phentermine.

 

I think we're in madness territory.

 

 

 

I agree

this is what happens when the lynch mobs gather with axes and pitch forks. The cycling community needs to make up its mind and stop being led by media frenzy.

Do we wnat knee jerk reactions to every pill or a considered scientific approach? If we not careful, the consequence of todays lynching will be quite dire down the road.

The next step is gene manipulation and do we wont to go there cos that CANNOT be detected