MeridaHFS Posted August 13, 2014 Share Like everyone above mentioned.. Two things that you have to check - pad contamination and your bleeding method. If your lever reaches your bars it means something really is not right. If your pads and discs are clean bleed the whole system again.Rather have it perfect than failing on a descent Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouxtjie Posted August 13, 2014 Share Like everyone above mentioned.. Two things that you have to check - pad contamination and your bleeding method. If your lever reaches your bars it means something really is not right. If your pads and discs are clean bleed the whole system again.Rather have it perfect than failing on a descent Ja also good advise but alas they are avids....they are going to fail anyway fanievb, ChUkKy and nonky 3 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogusOne Posted August 13, 2014 Share And? I've also had shimano (my wife has them on her bike) as well as tektro. Now THOSE were crap. In the avid stable - elixir 5, xx + code. The OP's problem could occur with any brand. Maybe a bit of diet stuck next to the piston, but most probably air in the system and improperly bedded pads Im with Mayhem here. I have both Shimano and Avids. Both sets bought second hand and both sets were rather poorly maintained and showed the same signs of brake fade, no stopping etc. Its quite simple, new pads and a proper bleed sorted both sets and with proper maintenance on both sets to be honest they will last forever.  I prefer my Avids so to all that wants to throw theirs away throw them my way please Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, Starvin' Marvin, rouxtjie and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouxtjie Posted August 13, 2014 Share Im with Mayhem here. I have both Shimano and Avids. Both sets bought second hand and both sets were rather poorly maintained and showed the same signs of brake fade, no stopping etc. Its quite simple, new pads and a proper bleed sorted both sets and with proper maintenance on both sets to be honest they will last forever. I prefer my Avids so to all that wants to throw theirs away throw them my way please Sure, what happened to the OP can happen to any brake system, we just having a bit of fun with the Avid clan...so much of fun watching them covering their wickets Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, fanievb, BogusOne and 3 others 6 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted August 13, 2014 Share All you need to know here https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/131203-aa-the-avid-appreciation-society/page__hl__avid+appreciation You will be amongst friends Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogusOne Posted August 13, 2014 Share Sure, what happened to the OP can happen to any brake system, we just having a bit of fun with the Avid clan...so much of fun watching them covering their wickets Lol nothing wrong with having a bit of fun on Wacky Wednesday .... Halfway to moermekaar Fridays ChUkKy and rouxtjie 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted August 13, 2014 Share Sure, what happened to the OP can happen to any brake system, we just having a bit of fun with the Avid clan...so much of fun watching them covering their wicketsLol! The thing is, some of the balls we are facing are so wide, they're going to silly mid before the batsman has even had a chance to see the approach! droo, BogusOne, rouxtjie and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
manbearpig Posted August 13, 2014 Share Just make sure when you bleed them the "contact in" or "pad contact" adjustment is screwed all the way out. Actually make sure it is all the way out now anyway. Then pump the lever a dozen or so times. You may find the piston in the master cylinder hasn't had a chance to come back enough to let the fluid from the reservoir into the system. You may suddenly find the lever gets more pressure. Then screw the "contact in" adjustment in until you have optimum feel and pressure on the lever. Capricorn 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted August 13, 2014 Share It's only a good thing when brakes don't break. Your problem (apart from your spelling) as mentioned by others is those rubbish Avid brakes. Shimano SLX offer the best bang for buck brakes on the market. Fit them - you'll thank us later. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebel Posted August 13, 2014 Share The age old Avid vs Shimano debate..... I run Juicy 5's on my DH bike.... no problem. I run Hayes on my trail bike..... no problem. Had Shimanos on my old NRS, no problem. Ridden a bike with Tekros on.... no problem. Either I have a f'n strong grip or I'm riding too slow.... I'm going with too slow  OR maybe my brakes are just set up properly. @ OP if your lever travel is right up to the bars, I would think it could be a bleed issue. If you have lever but no braking force, my guess would be pad/rotor contamination or you failed to bed them in properly. remove the pads and rub them on some 200 grit sandpaper on a flat surface. Rub the rotors lightly with water paper and clean them thoroughly with brake cleaner. If you have fluid on your pads, I would suggest a new set of pads. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem and RockCoach 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocknRolla Posted August 13, 2014 Share I am having issues with my Avid R-SL's as well. been bleeding, and bleeding and sorts out the problem for about 5kms and then its back to squishyness. would love, absolutely love to change to shimano but have no budget for it. last resort is buying service kit for them, as I believe their internal thingies (technical term) needs to be sorted. ChUkKy 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocknRolla Posted August 13, 2014 Share I need to get it sorted before ss champs Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted August 13, 2014 Share I am having issues with my Avid R-SL's as well. been bleeding, and bleeding and sorts out the problem for about 5kms and then its back to squishyness. would love, absolutely love to change to shimano but have no budget for it. last resort is buying service kit for them, as I believe their internal thingies (technical term) needs to be sorted. You'll probably find that there's just ONE little bubble left somewhere in the system that's just farking it up for you. That, or you have a leak somewhere... RocknRolla and Grebel 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocknRolla Posted August 13, 2014 Share You'll probably find that there's just ONE little bubble left somewhere in the system that's just farking it up for you. That, or you have a leak somewhere... A leak would surely show traces, and I have not found anything. Been feeling ready to give up on them ever since the weekend ride... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted August 13, 2014 Share A leak would surely show traces, and I have not found anything. Been feeling ready to give up on them ever since the weekend ride...It could, yes - but it may be an air leak. Allowing air in to the system, rather than oil out. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
porqui Posted August 13, 2014 Share There's a dog and his bone here - can't let go. The debate on pro or anti Avids trips up some peeps knowledge of equipment. What still amuses me is how much sellers want for their "crappy" 2nd hand Avids. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem, ChUkKy and Capricorn 3 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/142089-brakes-not-really-breaking/page/2/#findComment-2390656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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