RIFLE

[Patensie]

Surely, based on your primary rifle, your second choice would be in 7.62 Nato as you also got the ammo free.........

.308

[mon-goose]

I have been emailing a few training places but thought I'd ask here

 

How long is a proficiency / certificate valid for before you have to get the actual license?

 

And I know you get different types of licenses for hand guns, rifles etc, but is a licence specific to a specific weapon? So would you need to get two rifle licenses if you have 2 rifles? Or do they add the serial codes for each rifle onto one license?

[Boerklong]

 

A licence for each firearm.

[Boerklong]

If you do your competency do handgun, shotgun and rifle. Saves you time and money.

[dev null]

Your competency training certificate does not expire, but the competency certificate that you then get from SAPS do, and usually after 10 years.  You must get this certificate from SAPS before you apply for the firearm licence.  Sometimes you can apply for both at the same time, all depends on your DFO.  Check out Gunsite for much more info.

 

EDIT:  and get ready for lots of tears and frustration.  Jou moermeter gaan gereeld in die rooi in gaan.   

Edited March 18, 2016 by Moridin

[mon-goose]

thanks. I have no interest in a shotgun or handgun so might just go for the rifle

[nickc]

Surely, based on your primary rifle, your second choice would be in 7.62 Nato as you also got the ammo free.........

Yip - old faithfull - R1 - used for my two years as well as camps.

[Boerklong]

thanks. I have no interest in a shotgun or handgun so might just go for the rifle

You never know...

[nickc]

Nick ,you forgot to mention the .50 spotting rifle on top.Oudtshoorn '77

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Off topic. I know . Just couldn't resist.

 

Yip - still have a couple of rounds of the .50 - was a .50 short.

 

I was in 7 SAI,  78 intake had a LT Rassie Erasmus fresh out of Oudtshoorn as our Anti - Tank instructor - he must have been at Infantry School the same time as you?

 

That Bang as one let go with that Beast could be heard for miles !!

[Wannabe]

Get a 308.  When (if) the paw paw hits the fan, you will have lots of ammo around    

 

Renewed my handgun license in December, had my competency certificate renewed at the same time. Got the SMS on Monday that my license renewal has been approved, now just waiting for 2nd SMS as to when I must go and collect it.

[MudMuppet]

I was trained to hunt tanks with this 106mm recoilless rifle courtesy of the SADF.

 

Penetration ability - 450 mm armoured steel plate or 2 metres reinforced concrete.

 

BTW if you have problem storing this would go with a 308.

 

Yup, one hell of a noise & back blast, shot one of these at De Brug in the 80's, and RPG's, then moved on to the Milan.

[Goodbadugly]

Range shooting:

What range? 100m? 500m? 1000m?

A .22 or 223 runs cheaper than a 308.

Let us look at the 308

Even when you reload, you can only reload brass so many times. (usually around 10 times) Or till you loose it.

The last brass I bought for the 308 worked out R12/case (Lapua or Norma if you shop around)

30-06 Sako brass was R20/case...

Primers between 50c and R1.20 each.

Powder: around 170 rounds/tin @R350/tin for Somchem S335

Range bullets: R500-R700/100

And this does not include the reloading equipment.

At LEAST R9/round.

If you buy over the counter ammo, R280/20 (sellier &bellot at Camdix)

So if you do not intend to shoot a lot(<100/year) buy ammo.

 

R10k will buy you a usable rifle. Very usable in some cases. But what about a scope, sling, cleaning equipment ear protection etc?

 

Caliber:

Many okes are using smaller caliber guns on the range like 243's, 260 Rem's and 6.5x55 Swedes. Then there are the okes who watch long range shooting videos over youtube and think they can duplicate the results with a off-the-shelve guns with entry level scopes. Long range shooting works like this: $$$$$ and many hours at the range.

 

The smaller frontal area of these long-for-caliber bullets tends to shoot flatter over longer ranges (500m+) than the standard .30cal guns like the 308/30-06.

 

Do not go for a fancy pants calibers. Choose a rifle that shoots ammo that you can buy at a gun shop in Pofadder.

 

If you intend to hunt with your rifle, take into consideration that game farmers might not allow you to shoot anything bigger than a blesbok with a 243. I know you said range shooting, but I also know that your friends will most likely 'force' you to join them on a hunting trip.

 

308's and 30-06's remains the best compromise between a good dependable game getter and tolerable recoil for mr Average

 

Have fun

[Boerklong]

Remember brass become cheaper the more you shoot it.

Pmp brass will work fine for 308.

 

I shoot Lapua on my 243. Only because case weigh is pretty close and I go for grouping.

 

If you buy brass for R12/case and you shoot it 10x it becomes cheaper... 1st shot R12.50 and last shot R1.20...

[eddy]

.308

As I said, 7.62x51.

[Boerklong]

Range shooting:

What range? 100m? 500m? 1000m?

A .22 or 223 runs cheaper than a 308.

Let us look at the 308

Even when you reload, you can only reload brass so many times. (usually around 10 times) Or till you loose it.

The last brass I bought for the 308 worked out R12/case (Lapua or Norma if you shop around)

30-06 Sako brass was R20/case...

Primers between 50c and R1.20 each.

Powder: around 170 rounds/tin @R350/tin for Somchem S335

Range bullets: R500-R700/100

And this does not include the reloading equipment.

At LEAST R9/round.

If you buy over the counter ammo, R280/20 (sellier &bellot at Camdix)

So if you do not intend to shoot a lot(<100/year) buy ammo.

 

R10k will buy you a usable rifle. Very usable in some cases. But what about a scope, sling, cleaning equipment ear protection etc?

 

Caliber:

Many okes are using smaller caliber guns on the range like 243's, 260 Rem's and 6.5x55 Swedes. Then there are the okes who watch long range shooting videos over youtube and think they can duplicate the results with a off-the-shelve guns with entry level scopes. Long range shooting works like this: $$$$$ and many hours at the range.

 

The smaller frontal area of these long-for-caliber bullets tends to shoot flatter over longer ranges (500m+) than the standard .30cal guns like the 308/30-06.

 

Do not go for a fancy pants calibers. Choose a rifle that shoots ammo that you can buy at a gun shop in Pofadder.

 

If you intend to hunt with your rifle, take into consideration that game farmers might not allow you to shoot anything bigger than a blesbok with a 243. I know you said range shooting, but I also know that your friends will most likely 'force' you to join them on a hunting trip.

 

308's and 30-06's remains the best compromise between a good dependable game getter and tolerable recoil for mr Average

 

Have fun

Hammer meets nail head.

 

It becomes expensive. Shot my barrel out within 2 years. 2800 shots is a lot. We have a 400m shooting range on the farm so I can shoot a lot.

I took into account what the price of a new barrel will be and could not get myself to pay 10k.

Sold my rile to a guy(he knew the barrel was shot out and he was looking for the action) for 12k and bought a Howa.

 

It was a Savage 243 mod 12 vlp with after market barrel, Vortex Viper scope and Boyds pepper thumbhole stock. Even this was pretty much entry level equipment compared to some guys at competitions.

 

If you wanna hang with the big guys you need some serious cash. Wish I could fork out R25 000 for a Nightforce scope.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Boerklong

[dev null]

If you wanna hang with the big guys you need some serious cash. Wish I could fork out R25 000 for a Nightforce scope.

 

Don't we all.  But my Bushnell 6500 will have to do on my hunting rifle.  And when I put together a veldskiet/competition rifle, a Sightron will have to make do.

 

BUT, the competition rifle will have to wait, as I am riding on the MTB now every weekend with my boys since they are now into it in a big way.  And I also need to replace my 26er with a 29er soon.  My 26er frame is tired.  Only have so much money to spend.