Dicky DQ Posted February 15, 2022 Share 8 hours ago, love2fly said: Earlier someone posted about rather identifying future dopers....I second that but I also believe if you are caught doping you're out for life. I'd like to see CSA/WADA (the SA version) publish a list, by sport and updated monthly of ALL athletes who have been tested and Pass/Fail. I'm curious how YdV got caught and seems to do so well without doping...now (I think she recently thrashed Yolanda Neff? here in SA) and in these "obscure" far-out-in-the-sticks races comes close to the men's top 10. If she's THAT good, why did she see the reason to dope? Do you relay believe that if you were caught in 2015 anything will change? You probably just get better at the dosage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 15, 2022 Share 23 minutes ago, PhilipV said: Are you living in LaLaLand or are you trolling? What I'm saying is making things illegal and thereby pretending the problem doesn't exist or even worse is under control is not a good solution. DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipV Posted February 15, 2022 Share 53 minutes ago, TNT1 said: What I'm saying is making things illegal and thereby pretending the problem doesn't exist or even worse is under control is not a good solution. But no one is pretending that it doesn't exist or is under control? The only one using "thereby" is you. Edited February 15, 2022 by PhilipV Eldron and justinafrika 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT1 Posted February 15, 2022 Share 2 hours ago, PhilipV said: But no one is pretending that it doesn't exist or is under control? The presumed shock and outage here tells a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trashy Posted February 15, 2022 Share 1 hour ago, TNT1 said: The presumed shock and outage here tells a different story. Murder is illegal. No one here is under the illusion that it doesn't exist or is under control in our country. I'm still shocked and outraged when it happens. HOEKVLAG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebeen Posted February 15, 2022 Share (she was caught smoking weed) NickGM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted February 15, 2022 Share Toon Aerts 😔 https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/toon-aerts-asserts-innocence-after-banned-drug-found-in-doping-test/ TheoG, NickGM and Jewbacca 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted February 15, 2022 Share 25 minutes ago, Shebeen said: (she was caught smoking weed) The difference is 5 years....5 very important years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted February 15, 2022 Share 9 minutes ago, Nick said: Toon Aerts 😔 https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/toon-aerts-asserts-innocence-after-banned-drug-found-in-doping-test/ A prescription only drug to inhibit estrogen production. Daaamn Toon - that is gonna be a tough one to deny.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted February 16, 2022 Share 8 hours ago, Nick said: Toon Aerts 😔 https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/toon-aerts-asserts-innocence-after-banned-drug-found-in-doping-test/ And the carToon continues Andrew Steer, ChrisF and TheoG 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBeer Posted February 16, 2022 Share 2 hours ago, SwissVan said: And the carToon continues would be refreshing if one of these cheats admits guilt straight away when caught. Jewbacca and SwissVan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted February 16, 2022 Share 20 minutes ago, MTBeer said: would be refreshing if one of these cheats admits guilt straight away when caught. I agree 'Sorry guys, you got me. My bad. See you in 2 years!' MTBeer, ChrisF and peetwindhoek 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted February 16, 2022 Share 13 minutes ago, Jewbacca said: I agree 'Sorry guys, you got me. My bad. See you in 2 years!' The CX guys strike me as little more old school but I see Toon has already denied denied denied. Maybe he drank from his wife's glass - that seems to be the excuse of the year so far. Jewbacca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted February 16, 2022 Share Just now, Eldron said: The CX guys strike me as little more old school but I see Toon has already denied denied denied. Maybe he drank from his wife's glass - that seems to be the excuse of the year so far. Yeah Or he re used one of her medicine bottles for his multi vits. Eish..... Eldron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted February 16, 2022 Share 1 minute ago, Jewbacca said: Yeah Or he re used one of her medicine bottles for his multi vits. Eish..... It's a tough call. Super low concentrations can either be contamination or evidence of abuse in the past. Given the history of cycling we tend to go with evidence of abuse in the past.... As always we will never know. Only Toon and maybe his inner circle will ever know if he doped. Jewbacca and peetwindhoek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted February 16, 2022 Share 6 minutes ago, Eldron said: It's a tough call. Super low concentrations can either be contamination or evidence of abuse in the past. Given the history of cycling we tend to go with evidence of abuse in the past.... As always we will never know. Only Toon and maybe his inner circle will ever know if he doped. The old 'smoke/fire' coupled with history. The thing is, how does on 'clear their name' sufficiently? What sort of evidence can one really call on to say 'it was this and not me cheating'? How expensive is it to run a tox test against your passport? Surely the teams of the top contenders are doing this regularly? If you are trying to be clean as a team, surely you test your athletes yourself? If you are doping, surely you also test yourself to see if you are catchable? Especially around world champs..... Eldron and ChrisF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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