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[Andymann]

One crash.... Mcleod used to ride for FDJ until he had a bad crash too. Can only wonder where he would have ended up if he didnt crash. 

 

I have so much respect for Ian - when I thought I was the big-cheese in Cycling in the 90's we were doing a race and he came up to me and had a great chat about what I was doing wrong and where I could improve.  Some of the tips he gave me made a huge difference.  Really top guy.

[Mntboy]

LOL - shall we resurrect the Robbie Hunter vs Greg Minnaar fight from all those years ago 

LOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

 

No. Both are fantastic and have done incredibly well at their chosen disciplines and I have too much respect for them both to go down that particular rabbit hole. How do you even begin to quantify certain aspects in order just to get to point where you're legitimately comparing apples with apples? Far happier just to give two incredible Saffa athletes credit for their achievements and be very proud of both of them.

[gtr1]

Ryan Gibbons definitely up there, and if you go back a number of years, Alan van Heerden won a stage of the Giro back in the 80's. Robbie McIntosh rode European pro. Willie Engelbrecht achieved some great results in Europe.

[dsw]

I am assuming that those three are Rob Hunter (stage wins at all three GT's), Daryl Impey and Louis Meintjes. dsw can correct me if I'm wrong but those are the only one's that particularly spring to mind.

 

That is the three I had in mind.

[Andymann]

LOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

 

No. Both are fantastic and have done incredibly well at their chosen disciplines and I have too much respect for them both to go down that particular rabbit hole. How do you even begin to quantify certain aspects in order just to get to point where you're legitimately comparing apples with apples? Far happier just to give two incredible Saffa athletes credit for their achievements and be very proud of both of them.

 

Geez remember that - there were letters written to Magazines for months after that.  Was the Hub even established then?  I can't remember

[Mntboy]

Geez remember that - there were letters written to Magazines for months after that.  Was the Hub even established then?  I can't remember

Not sure, could be that the Hub existed then or maybe the old Bicycling SA forum (I seem to recall that they had a forum as well) had those discussions as well. 

[gtr1]

On a sad note worth wondering where Burry Stander might be today. In his day he was u23 World champ and beat the likes of Alexis Vuillermoz a WT rider and TdeF stage winner I think.

 

Also in 4th that year was a certain Peter Sagan.

 

Also was competitive against a certain Nino Schurter

[Andymann]

On a sad note worth wondering where Burry Stander might be today. In his day he was u23 World champ and beat the likes of Alexis Vuillermoz a WT rider and TdeF stage winner I think.

 

Also in 4th that year was a certain Peter Sagan.

 

Also was competitive against a certain Nino Schurter

 

Good question - He was pretty impressive on a Road bike I remember at SA Champs one year.  I guess it depends where his passion lay - MTB or Road.

[dsw]

Ryan Gibbons definitely up there, and if you go back a number of years, Alan van Heerden won a stage of the Giro back in the 80's. Robbie McIntosh rode European pro. Willie Engelbrecht achieved some great results in Europe.

 

Alan was a brilliant rider.. not sure about the overseas results of Robbie and Willie and at what level they achieved it. It is a bit difficult to rate the international performances of SA riders back in those days for the reasons we know.

 

Ryan still has time on his side. I also have some hopes for Stefan de Bod but if NTT goes down he might be left without a ride.

[gtr1]

Alan was a brilliant rider.. not sure about the overseas results of Robbie and Willie and at what level they achieved it. It is a bit difficult to rate the international performances of SA riders back in those days for the reasons we know.

 

Ryan still has time on his side. I also have some hopes for Stefan de Bod but if NTT goes down he might be left without a ride.

 

Some Willie results

 

• 1 1994-08-27 3  Commonwealth Games - Road Race JR 180 - - 2 1992-09-27 8  Tour of Ireland     18 - 3 1992-08-13 2  Continentale Classic     55 - 4 1987-04-25 33  Amstel Gold Race SPP 242 5 - 5 1987-04-19 75  Liège - Bastogne - Liège SPP 260 5 - 6 1987-04-08 38  Gent - Wevelgem SPP 243 5 - 7 1987-04-05 71  Ronde van Vlaanderen / Tour des Flandres SPP 274 5 -

[DieselnDust]

Can only think of Hunter, Impey and Meintjies... Not sure if there was anyone in the 90's / early 2000's 

 

 

Froome,

 

w seem to forget he built his cycling career in SA before moving onto Europe...

[TNT1]

Froome,

 

w seem to forget he built his cycling career in SA before moving onto Europe...

Sssssshhhhhhh! that takes away from the prevailing story that he was a poor little kid who was trained by Kinjah and the whole Safari Simbaz bull****.

[Patchelicious]

I have so much respect for Ian - when I thought I was the big-cheese in Cycling in the 90's we were doing a race and he came up to me and had a great chat about what I was doing wrong and where I could improve. Some of the tips he gave me made a huge difference. Really top guy.

You just made his day ????????

[stringbean]

This pretty much sums up the gist of the last few posts here.  Louis is for all intents and purposes one of the best cyclists to to come out of South Africa and he's probably going to struggle to get a team next year.  The fact that he isn't guaranteed of a Team should prove to Mom and Dad that young Billy is most likely never going to make it as a pro.

Have to disagree with you here bud.IMO best road cyclists to come out of SA is a woman and deserves much more recognition than she currently gets.

[Shebeen]

If the  Primož Roglič story is true and has not been given too much artistic licence then you can start cycling at 23 and still make it as a pro 

well he was junior world champ at ski jumping and got injured and started cycling. It's not like he got off the couch and started riding, he was already a pro sportsman. 

 

there's a line here from when he went for testing at lott nl jumbo: "our roster is full for next year already, but we need to make a space - this guy has the engine of a ferrari" 

 

 

Similiar mike woods who was a top junior runner but kept getting injured so stopped competitive running at age 21. 2 years later he was at world champs.

[Shebeen]

back onto topic, I'm guessing yesterday came and went. So this is really looking dire.

 

 

Under UCI rule 2.15.069 UCI World Teams must provide documents for audit by 1 October – this Thursday – and if anything is missing there’s until October 20 to file late documents. However the main sponsor and the contract behind it is not an ancillary document, it’s the essential part of a team’s licence. Without this, no licence.

 

 

Even if there is a late rescue, I don't see it being an "african themed" one. It would be to essentially buy the licence. So it really is the end of the african journey, for now. Hope de bod, meintjes, dlamini, jjvr and gibbons can get a ride somewhere. Jay thomson is 34, and well....

Edited October 2, 2020 by Shebeen