DieselnDust Posted April 6, 2019 Share Boet give the hubxpurts a gapThese guys are good, they know what the riders are doing wrong without even seeing them rideSome of them have a strong xhoi San heritage because they can tell what the rider was thinking by reading their tyre tracks arendoog, Matchstix, nathrix and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted April 7, 2019 Share Some of them have a strong xhoi San heritage because they can tell what the rider was thinking by reading their tyre tracksThat explains it, the San’s maths capability does not require knowledge of the brake bump equation:wheels + brakes + soil + corners x riders = braking bumps DieselnDust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted April 7, 2019 Share All the *** riding skills apologists on here can offer is sarcasm? Having actually watched average Epic riders negotiating a bit of single track it was pretty obvious there is a heinous lack of skill which no doubt includes braking. I've seen guys who've ridden 2 or 3 Epics who have no idea how their suspension works or how to set up their cockpit for one finger braking. If you cant set up the bike what are the chances you're going to ride right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted April 7, 2019 Share All the *** riding skills apologists on here can offer is sarcasm? Having actually watched average Epic riders negotiating a bit of single track it was pretty obvious there is a heinous lack of skill which no doubt includes braking. I've seen guys who've ridden 2 or 3 Epics who have no idea how their suspension works or how to set up their cockpit for one finger braking. If you cant set up the bike what are the chances you're going to ride right?Hiw many Epics have you done??! Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted April 7, 2019 Share ???????????? Edited April 7, 2019 by 'Dale DieselnDust and Danger Dassie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellnit Posted April 8, 2019 Share Anyone looking for a Swiss Epic Partner? Ready for another adventure! Matchstix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted April 8, 2019 Share Some of them have a strong xhoi San heritage because they can tell what the rider was thinking by reading their tyre tracks I can tell you what they were thinking when I see a tyre drag mark into a berm going straight across the lip of the berm. Ferro and DJR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted April 8, 2019 Share I can tell you what they were thinking when I see a tyre drag mark into a berm going straight across the lip of the berm.   was it the skid mar in the chamois or the berm that gave it away?? BSG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathrix Posted April 8, 2019 Share My bad, i was texting while riding and had to send off a few emails when i hit those berms, the skid marks in my chamois was actually from kakking off up the King's climb which was opened up for the first time ever 'specially' for us epic riders peetwindhoek and DieselnDust 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted April 8, 2019 Share All the *** riding skills apologists on here can offer is sarcasm? Having actually watched average Epic riders negotiating a bit of single track it was pretty obvious there is a heinous lack of skill which no doubt includes braking. I've seen guys who've ridden 2 or 3 Epics who have no idea how their suspension works or how to set up their cockpit for one finger braking. If you cant set up the bike what are the chances you're going to ride right?Calm your farm chap .... plenty pros out there, even amongst the gravity set who have no idea how their bike works. Other than how they want it to.  Sure there's an argument for people understanding how to ride and understand their bike's mechanical magic. But at the end of the day despite bike setup and/or skillsets, any organised event is going to have an impact on the trail used. Headshot, DieselnDust and HDW 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted April 8, 2019 Share Well worth watching13 mins of coolness  Really enjoyed this, their ride report write-up is fantastic as well.  Was kind of perplexed though when they commented how nice and considerate people were on the road! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted April 8, 2019 Share Calm your farm chap .... plenty pros out there, even amongst the gravity set who have no idea how their bike works. Other than how they want it to.  Sure there's an argument for people understanding how to ride and understand their bike's mechanical magic. But at the end of the day despite bike setup and/or skillsets, any organised event is going to have an impact on the trail used. yeah, BUT. He was responding to the idiotic assertion that Epic riders (all of them) are skilled riders and nobody can comment unless they, too, have done the Epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted April 8, 2019 Share Really enjoyed this, their ride report write-up is fantastic as well.  Was kind of perplexed though when they commented how nice and considerate people were on the road!   are they from the USA? Which state? I can believe their comments as try driving in Houston... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peetwindhoek Posted April 8, 2019 Share Hehe, had a giggle at them breaking a wheel BEFORE the event even started! Danger Dassie and Gandalf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted April 8, 2019 Share Calm your farm chap .... plenty pros out there, even amongst the gravity set who have no idea how their bike works. Other than how they want it to.  Sure there's an argument for people understanding how to ride and understand their bike's mechanical magic. But at the end of the day despite bike setup and/or skillsets, any organised event is going to have an impact on the trail used. A very balanced response. I agree but..  The gravity ( and XC)/XCM) pro's you refer to don't need to know much because they are getting the info and set up from somone who does. Their bikes are always set up perfectly amd they are coached and trained to ride very well. An amateur MTB rider needs to have more mechanical knowledge but perhaps thanks to the Epic and other events and over priced service packages ( and camper vans), many feel like thay are pros. The wheels fall off outside that environment, and sometimes during the very supported event when the oversubscribed service team stuff up the gear settings or something else happens en route.  As to trail damage, yes for sure an event is always hard on the trails. Edited April 8, 2019 by Headshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted April 8, 2019 Share I agree with DnD re the berm radius. Attached is an example of a Helderberg berm:Change of radius mid-bermWear on the preferred line (Post Epic)New lower entry now being used Perhaps Forster got caught by this change of radius, thinking he can carry more speed (he wiped out on one of these). Some of the berms are amongst trees, and the full berm is not visable on approch. In general, the brake wear got better the further down the slope I went, and riders adjusted how much speed they took in.Since when can a berm not have a change of radius? I wonder if the lack of outright braking on most marathon bikes is part of the problem. With 160/140 rotors ( for weight ya know) you cant adjust speed as swiftly as proper brakes. This will lead to panic brake dragging through a corner and an even greater liklihood of a slide especially when that develish "radius change" occurs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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