Tothehills Posted November 6, 2019 Share It's less time consuming to up your skill level. Not everybody has loads of free hours every week to get fitter, but it takes 1 hour on the weekend to improve your skill a moer of a lot. Unfortunately the super fit gravel grinders who clearly have time on their hands aren't interested in upping their skill levels.Another truth bomb Mousea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted November 6, 2019 Share It's less time consuming to up your skill level. Not everybody has loads of free hours every week to get fitter, but it takes 1 hour on the weekend to improve your skill a moer of a lot. Unfortunately the super fit gravel grinders who clearly have time on their hands aren't interested in upping their skill levels. Not only that but they congregate in packs and block out the entry to the singletrack. What I don't understand is how they obtain their superior seeding into B or C batch. it is obvious that the seeding system rewards people who ride more stage races i.e. therefore with more disposable income MTBeer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipV Posted November 6, 2019 Share ahhh the age old discussion of unskilled riders IN FRONT OF you downhill beastsyip they qualified for better seeding or they fitter climbing up, or grinding flats better so Qualify for better seeding, learn to grind gravel roads, get up the hill faster,,,,essentially all you guys with big steel balls are saying is "my one specialized aspect of riding ,,,,,is bettererrr than ALL YOURS" GOT IT That is why the Fat and Lazy riders like me enjoy enduro so much. PS: I've run the full gamut of alphabet soup seeding in the last couple of years. You get *** descenders even in the A Bunch at races like W2W. Fortunately they seem to have less of an "I got here first" attitude than the wannabee racers in the B-Z groups. DieselnDust, Milkman, Underachiever and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBeer Posted November 6, 2019 Share Not only that but they congregate in packs and block out the entry to the singletrack. What I don't understand is how they obtain their superior seeding into B or C batch. it is obvious that the seeding system rewards people who ride more stage races i.e. therefore with more disposable incomeIt rewards dirt roadies. Maybe they should include enduro events in the seeding criteria. 50% of your seeding comes from enduro and 50% comes from gravel grinding Mousea, Puncture Kid and DieselnDust 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIPSLICK Posted November 6, 2019 Share and the downhill boys get their nipples all sensitive Diesel and Dust you 100% correct I know nothing,, because you know me so well must make your point valid, PS means tongue in check, taking the piss calm yourself to a panic we all know you Downhill boys have balls and skill,,,chill DieselnDust, Kenty, nonky and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBeer Posted November 6, 2019 Share and the downhill boys get their nipples all sensitive Diesel and Dust you 100% correct I know nothing,, because you know me so well must make your point valid, PS means tongue in check, taking the piss calm yourself to a panic we all know you Downhill boys have balls and skill,,,chillI LIKED YOU BETTER WHEN YOU TYPED LIKE THIS.... Kenty and BigDL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted November 6, 2019 Share and the downhill boys get their nipples all sensitive Diesel and Dust you 100% correct I know nothing,, because you know me so well must make your point valid, PS means tongue in check, taking the piss calm yourself to a panic we all know you Downhill boys have balls and skill,,,chill maybe i should have used comic sans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milosh Posted November 6, 2019 Share it is obvious that the seeding system rewards people who ride more stage races i.e. therefore with more disposable income Skande !!! using stage races to do stage race seeding !! Wow what on earth is the world coming to ?? Milkman and BigDL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiantTjop Posted November 6, 2019 Share Please share more info RE this! Sounds amazing The bubble is indeed about to burst for the stage races that are busy pricing themselves out of the market. However I still believe the "value the money" events will be supported going forward. Most of my cycling friendship circle have settled on organizing our own long weekends away near popular mtb trails and it works out at a fraction of the cost of these multi stage events. The bonus is we get to stay in fairly luxury accommodation and dine like Kings every day.e.g. a recent trip to the Groot Vadersbos reserve cost us R3000 each for 4 days (all in), including the transport and it offered some of the best trails and gravel roads I've ridden in ages. Capricorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted November 6, 2019 Share Skande !!! using stage races to do stage race seeding !! Wow what on earth is the world coming to ?? eish....stage races carry a higher weighting in the SASEEDING calculation. Riding stage races does not make you more capable. In my experience the reverse is true Mousea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansolo Posted November 6, 2019 Share I do wonder if the situation is similar oversees. I'm far from being a racing snake and most people let me pass when I asked politely in Canada. People also seem to drive way more polite so it might be cultural thing. Not bashing Canadians in any way, I love the place and people. We fight or way through the morning commute and some of that mentality probably rubs off on us while riding. I'm sure I could train more and be fitter but the person refusing to get out of the way/insists on walking technical sections can "upskill" as well. I try to get out of the way for faster riders and try to let them enjoy their race as well. BigDL, Jako De Wet, DieselnDust and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted November 6, 2019 Share I do wonder if the situation is similar oversees. I'm far from being a racing snake and most people let me pass when I asked politely in Canada. People also seem to drive way more polite so it might be cultural thing. Not bashing Canadians in any way, I love the place and people. We fight or way through the morning commute and some of that mentality probably rubs off on us while riding. I'm sure I could train more and be fitter but the person refusing to get out of the way/insists on walking technical sections can "upskill" as well. I try to get out of the way for faster riders and try to let them enjoy their race as well. You may be onto something here. I was having a chat with a few European guys at the Shiraz. The conversation was started when one of them asked why does yes mean yes or no in SA whereas in Europe Yes means Yes and is binding. He was marketing a product and couldn't understand why people would say " yes i'll come back later" but never be seen again. I can't explain it but it was an interesting observation about the respect we have for people outside of ourselves. Jako De Wet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbybzgo Posted November 6, 2019 Share "Yes, I'll come back later" can hide a multitude of truths....Like: Hell No, I cant afford that on the South African Rand!or: My wife will kill me if I buy another bike item...or: I'm on a limited holiday budget and I cant afford what you are selling...or: The other supplier has a bevy of hot chicks at their stand...I'm off. Maybe we are just trying to be nice instead of being honest??? DieselnDust, arendoog, BigDL and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Rat Posted November 6, 2019 Share ahhh the age old discussion of unskilled riders IN FRONT OF you downhill beastsyip they qualified for better seeding or they fitter climbing up, or grinding flats better so Qualify for better seeding, learn to grind gravel roads, get up the hill faster,,,,essentially all you guys with big steel balls are saying is "my one specialized aspect of riding ,,,,,is bettererrr than ALL YOURS" GOT IT Not my view at all, if you're in front of me you deserve to be. I just don't enjoy sitting behind you twiddling my thumbs listening to your squeaky brakes when I could be enjoying the track. In the context of this thread that's why I prefer not to do stage races and pay big bucks for the irritation. The alternative of riding trails with my mates is far more enjoyable and cheaper and I am always amused at how we seem to sort out who should take the lead on certain tracks without a fuss but when it comes to a stage "race" we can't seem to accept that someone else could be quicker be it up or down the hill. We just occupy our space denying the other guy the opportunity to play to his strengths and I am not talking about the front of the field. Vaalhaai, Spokey, DieselnDust and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselnDust Posted November 6, 2019 Share "Yes, I'll come back later" can hide a multitude of truths....Like: Hell No, I cant afford that on the South African Rand!or: My wife will kill me if I buy another bike item...or: I'm on a limited holiday budget and I cant afford what you are selling...or: The other supplier has a bevy of hot chicks at their stand...I'm off. Maybe we are just trying to be nice instead of being honest??? Pick one or all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arendoog Posted November 6, 2019 Share "Yes, I'll come back later" can hide a multitude of truths....Like: Hell No, I cant afford that on the South African Rand!or: My wife will kill me if I buy another bike item...or: I'm on a limited holiday budget and I cant afford what you are selling...or: The other supplier has a bevy of hot chicks at their stand...I'm off. Maybe we are just trying to be nice instead of being honest???Nailed it on the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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