Wahoo launch Elemnt Rival multisport watch

[Markellis]

Press Release

When seconds determine who stands atop the podium, technology must save you time not cost you time. With ELEMNT RIVAL, we've created a multi-sport watch that creates a simple and seamless experience whether you're training or competing.

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[News bot]

Press Release

When seconds determine who stands atop the podium, technology must save you time not cost you time. With ELEMNT RIVAL, we've created a multi-sport watch that creates a simple and seamless experience whether you're training or competing.

Click here to view the article

[Chris_]

What are you most excited for? that you couldn't get from all the other watches.

 

(serious question)

 

Edit: oh, well this was a reply to Markellis, before the threads got chopped

Edited November 17, 2020 by Chris_

[shaper]

You had better read what DCR says about it, before you go rushing out to buy it https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/11/wahoo-rival-multisport-gps-watch-review.html

 

His recommendation is to watch and see and look forward to whatever version is available in about a year from now!!........

 

However, that doesn’t mean I’d recommend the RIVAL today, not in its current iteration. I think with enough money and developers, we’re probably about 8-12 months away from being able to compete with the likes of Suunto in certain areas (non-battery ones). Another year after that, maybe Polar (assuming Polar stopped developing entirely). Garmin? Well, that’s…who knows.

Edited November 17, 2020 by shaper

[DR ◣◢]

I do like the Wahoo products. This looks pretty interesting. 

 

I wonder what pricing will be? 

 

The 240x240 screen isn't too exciting but I'm sure it's good enough.

[sirmoun10goat]

You had better read what DCR says about it, before you go rushing out to buy it https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/11/wahoo-rival-multisport-gps-watch-review.html

 

His recommendation is to watch and see and look forward to whatever version is available in about a year from now!!........

 

However, that doesn’t mean I’d recommend the RIVAL today, not in its current iteration. I think with enough money and developers, we’re probably about 8-12 months away from being able to compete with the likes of Suunto in certain areas (non-battery ones). Another year after that, maybe Polar (assuming Polar stopped developing entirely). Garmin? Well, that’s…who knows.

 

And Ray is just talking about software dev, which can only do so much. Things sleep tracking, 24/7 hr, going back in time to look at historic data, accuracy, etc can be rectified. But things such as music, tap to pay etc, requires updated hardware. And then Garmin's First Beat tech - this requires so much data which I don't think Wahoo has access to.

 

At best, this model from Wahoo can be competitor to an entry level Garmin device. You will need to wait for at least Gen 2 of Rival before you can expect features offered by Garmin. 

[Pieterlab1]

Rubbish. Just get a Garmin.

[MarcBurger]

Just get a Garmin.

 

As a Suunto fan, I'm so peeved I got the Suunto 5 instead of a Garmin.

[Rocket-Boy]

At the current price point vs features this watch doesnt make much sense.

Any of the longer established players are a better option until the product matures.

[Simon123]

Rubbish. Just get a Garmin.

I did, and cant believe I fell for the Garmin fanboy hype.   It was like I went back to an old 80's Casio.

 

Swapping 830 computer for a Wahoo, so this looks tempting.   Not yet, but soon.  Just want to lose this Garmin POS and go back to an Apple Watch and will re-evaluate in a year.

[Kom]

For cyclists already in the wahoo eco system, this watch will make sense, for the 80% of the community that grew up with garmin, it will still be the defacto.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Kom

[aquaratza]

A number of tour riders that live in the wahoo eco system are onto a different type of training approach which is waiting to permeate into the broader cycling world, which IMO is power meter based racing and training that you don’t need a full time coach to interpret and create plans for. On this front garmin can’t compete IMO.

 

For cyclists already in this eco system, this watch will make sense, for the 80% of the community that still ride old school heart rate based data monitoring, garmin is still the defacto.

Huh? My Garmin Edge 530 (2020), Fenix 3 (from 2015) and Fenix 5X all support power meter data. They log the data, they process the data internally into Garmin's VO2 performance model and they can display the data in a variety of ways, including charts colour-coded to power zone. Garmin's power-meter based metrics are high-end. There's more power-meter related functionality than what I've bothered to explore. The data also works well with platforms like intervals.icu and Strava (among others). Clever systems also know how to combine the HR and Power data to yield interesting stats (like intervals.icu's HR decoupling, which can indicate insufficient hydration, etc.)

 

The Rival appears to be an incomplete product that's been pushed out into a very crowded marketplace. Good article by Ray/DCR.

[ChrisF]

Huh? My Garmin Edge 530 (2020), Fenix 3 (from 2015) and Fenix 5X all support power meter data. They log the data, they process the data internally into Garmin's VO2 performance model and they can display the data in a variety of ways, including charts colour-coded to power zone. Garmin's power-meter based metrics are high-end. There's more power-meter related functionality than what I've bothered to explore. The data also works well with platforms like intervals.icu and Strava (among others). Clever systems also know how to combine the HR and Power data to yield interesting stats (like intervals.icu's HR decoupling, which can indicate insufficient hydration, etc.)

 

The Rival appears to be an incomplete product that's been pushed out into a very crowded marketplace. Good article by Ray/DCR.

Jip, even the entry level Garmin 130 computer connects to power meters

 

The Garmin Vivoactive watches are on the lower end of the spectrum, and also link to power meters.

 

 

Then again ... watches and cycling are not the best match .... okay if you are only recording data. If you need to monitor data on the go for training ... uhm ja, no ... a watch screen and going at speed on a bike .... nope

Edited November 22, 2020 by ChrisF

[Pieterlab1]

I did, and cant believe I fell for the Garmin fanboy hype.   It was like I went back to an old 80's Casio.

 

Swapping 830 computer for a Wahoo, so this looks tempting.   Not yet, but soon.  Just want to lose this Garmin POS and go back to an Apple Watch and will re-evaluate in a year.

Okay.

[Kom]

Huh? My Garmin Edge 530 (2020), Fenix 3 (from 2015) and Fenix 5X all support power meter data. They log the data, they process the data internally into Garmin's VO2 performance model and they can display the data in a variety of ways, including charts colour-coded to power zone. Garmin's power-meter based metrics are high-end. There's more power-meter related functionality than what I've bothered to explore. The data also works well with platforms like intervals.icu and Strava (among others). Clever systems also know how to combine the HR and Power data to yield interesting stats (like intervals.icu's HR decoupling, which can indicate insufficient hydration, etc.)

 

The Rival appears to be an incomplete product that's been pushed out into a very crowded marketplace. Good article by Ray/DCR.

Just to qualify, by eco system I include the Kickr and all the IDT products they make. Edited November 23, 2020 by Kom

[shaper]

Just to qualify, by eco system I include the Kickr, which with the elemnt can playback rides based on power etc, garmin still not doing that since they acquired TacX.

Garmin have been doing playback of courses or trainer workouts controlled by a Garmin head unit since 2015!!

https://youtu.be/QYK2BKG6hBE

Edited November 22, 2020 by shaper