shaper Posted May 18, 2022 Share 3 minutes ago, Pieterlab1 said: Why are you so angry? Angry? I guess your rose tinted glasses see only the side you want to see.... or do you deny your comment of how you like to blast past people so that they can never see you again.... Or is your comment because I suggest in fairness to the OP concern that in events like this you should have your own ebike day, which then takes away from your little pleasure? MTBRIDER1234 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headshot Posted May 18, 2022 Share 19 minutes ago, Pieterlab1 said: Do not generalize. A pig on an ebike will also be a pig on a normal bike. It's often not the bike but the rider. The point is that the eBikers who ride these events are probably not on the top of their game with skills or fitness because they need an eBike to complete such an event. They then mix it up with fitter more skilled riders on normal bikes and add to the congestion issues on the downs and technical terrain. That's the argument I think and it has merit up to a point, depending on the numbers involved, which would require some data... Yyyy, shaper, MTBRIDER1234 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieterlab1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share 4 minutes ago, shaper said: Angry? I guess your rose tinted glasses see only the side you want to see.... or do you deny your comment of how you like to blast past people so that they can never see you again.... Or is your comment because I suggest in fairness to the OP concern that in events like this you should have your own ebike day, which then takes away from your little pleasure? Show me where I said "Blast." ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted May 18, 2022 Share 7 minutes ago, Headshot said: The point is that the eBikers who ride these events are probably not on the top of their game with skills or fitness because they need an eBike to complete such an event. They then mix it up with fitter more skilled riders on normal bikes and add to the congestion issues on the downs and technical terrain. That's the argument I think and it has merit up to a point, depending on the numbers involved, which would require some data... Exactly this - ebikes are not a specific problem but exacerbate an existing general problem. Slower/unfit regular riders will tend to self regulate because their lack of fitness on the uphills will put them towards the back of the field where downhill prowess is less likely to be Minnaar standard - ebikers go faster than regular riders of equal fitness on uphills and will end up in a group "ahead" of their skillset where the fitter/more technical riders are...then cause blockages on the downhills... love2fly, MTBRIDER1234, Trashy and 7 others 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanDoughnuts Posted May 18, 2022 Share 7 minutes ago, Eldron said: Exactly this - ebikes are not a specific problem but exacerbate an existing general problem. Slower/unfit regular riders will tend to self regulate because their lack of fitness on the uphills will put them towards the back of the field where downhill prowess is less likely to be Minnaar standard - ebikers go faster than regular riders of equal fitness on uphills and will end up in a group "ahead" of their skillset where the fitter/more technical riders are...then cause blockages on the downhills... I can agree to this... Fred van Vlaanderen, MTBRIDER1234 and Headshot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted May 18, 2022 Share 5 hours ago, Pieterlab1 said: Hurt feelings everywhere! I started in A Batch on Day 1, B Batch Day 2 and finished A Batch on day 3 on my ebike. And 'n was on an SL, not even a full fat ebike. If I overtook you on a climb, I am sorry that I hurt your feelings, but that also would've been the last time that you would've seen me. No Normal bike caught me on any single track. No injuries were caused by any ebikes. Stop crying. 8 minutes ago, Pieterlab1 said: Show me where I said "Blast." Semantics......as you seem to forget in the moment and seem happy to blast past someone on a climb on your ebike and take small pleasure out of it. The only angry one seems to be you in that people may have comments against an ebike rider like yourself as you are mixing it with A and B batch rather than being an ebike tourist and just doing the event for the enjoyment. You will have your place and race, which should be separate to a cycle event and hopefully now there are plenty of ebike riders this will happen very soon in all stage races and such threads will no longer arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieterlab1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Just now, shaper said: Semantics......as you seem to forget in the moment and seem happy to blast past someone on a climb on your ebike and take small pleasure out of it. The only angry one seems to be you in that people may have comments against an ebike rider like yourself as you are mixing it with A and B batch rather than being an ebike tourist and just doing the event for the enjoyment. You will have your place and race, which should be separate to a cycle event and hopefully now there are plenty of ebike riders this will happen very soon in all stage races and such threads will no longer arise. I don't see "blast". Thank you angry person. Goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted May 18, 2022 Share Just now, Pieterlab1 said: I don't see "blast". Thank you angry person. Goodbye. As I said, rose tinted glasses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted May 18, 2022 Share 2 minutes ago, shaper said: Semantics......as you seem to forget in the moment and seem happy to blast past someone on a climb on your ebike and take small pleasure out of it. The only angry one seems to be you in that people may have comments against an ebike rider like yourself as you are mixing it with A and B batch rather than being an ebike tourist and just doing the event for the enjoyment. You will have your place and race, which should be separate to a cycle event and hopefully now there are plenty of ebike riders this will happen very soon in all stage races and such threads will no longer arise. This type of rider is (in my opinion) the reason for some of the anti ebike sentiment. Quite clearly doesn't need an ebike but uses one so he can crack B bunch and talk smack. throttles, Martin PJ, BigDL and 7 others 4 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted May 18, 2022 Share 1 minute ago, Eldron said: This type of rider is (in my opinion) the reason for some of the anti ebike sentiment. Quite clearly doesn't need an ebike but uses one so he can crack B bunch and talk smack. I also blame the organisers, how can an ebike be seeded in A & B each day? BigDL and Pieterlab1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanDoughnuts Posted May 18, 2022 Share So much anger.... I think more people should ride ebikes and be happy ... Fred van Vlaanderen, ChrisF, Pieterlab1 and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throttles Posted May 18, 2022 Share Jislike.. 👀 Insert monkey sipping tea meme.. ChrisF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieterlab1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share We need to get this thread to 20 pages before Friday! Go! throttles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaper Posted May 18, 2022 Share 1 minute ago, DuncanDoughnuts said: So much anger.... I think more people should ride ebikes and be happy ... Yet reading you early comments is this thread you are right up there with your often sarcastic comments fueling the flames.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieterlab1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share 3 minutes ago, shaper said: Yet reading you early comments is this thread you are right up there with your often sarcastic comments fueling the flames.... Did you at least enjoy this years Sani2C? Edited May 18, 2022 by Pieterlab1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieterlab1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share 10 minutes ago, Eldron said: This type of rider is (in my opinion) the reason for some of the anti ebike sentiment. Quite clearly doesn't need an ebike but uses one so he can crack B bunch and talk smack. El, let's meet up for a ride and you can see for yourself what these Ebikes are all about. You might just have some fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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