Cape Town danger areas

[DuncanCT]

This is probably off topic and a whole other thread, but where is PPA in all of this. Not sure how many guys here pay subs but all they seem to do (slight sarcasm here, I'm sure there is lots else done) is hand out wider of the rider sticker once a year around CTCT time.

Where do they engage with the cycling community? Don't think they are present here on the Hub? Do they interface with CoCT?

PPA > About >  "committed to promoting cycling and the interests of cyclists. Recreational cycling (on- and off-road), development through cycling, safe cycling and advocacy are among the PPA’s priorities."

Surely there can be a little more pressure on their side to increase safety, both from a traffic and personal safety?

[ChrisF]

We share your levels of frustration !!!

 

Please reconsider penning "pre-meditation" ....

[ChrisF]

2 minutes ago, DuncanCT said:

This is probably off topic and a whole other thread, but where is PPA in all of this. Not sure how many guys here pay subs but all they seem to do (slight sarcasm here, I'm sure there is lots else done) is hand out wider of the rider sticker once a year around CTCT time.

Where do they engage with the cycling community? Don't think they are present here on the Hub? Do they interface with CoCT?

PPA > About >  "committed to promoting cycling and the interests of cyclists. Recreational cycling (on- and off-road), development through cycling, safe cycling and advocacy are among the PPA’s priorities."

Surely there can be a little more pressure on their side to increase safety, both from a traffic and personal safety?

 

Spot on reply !!!!

 

 

PPA is "missing in action" !!!!

[peepeekaitjie]

40 minutes ago, The Commuter said:

I am getting a weapon

ah yes, let us escalate this so that would be muggers assume that all cyclists carry weapons and start arming themselves better.

 

I know it is frustrating but making a *** situation worse gets us nowhere even faster

[peepeekaitjie]

31 minutes ago, DuncanCT said:

but where is PPA in all of this

I did email them. I will let you know should I ever receive a reply.

[MORNE]

also...it has been pretty well documented that you cant use that cycle lane safely. You just cant. You might luck it a few times but there have been horrendous incidents on that route around woodstock. It's been that way for years now. Also why the police asked you if you are crazy. They know. Even Alan you are tweeting was accosted there lol

[peepeekaitjie]

48 minutes ago, MORNE said:

also...it has been pretty well documented that you cant use that cycle lane safely. You just cant. You might luck it a few times but there have been horrendous incidents on that route around woodstock. It's been that way for years now. Also why the police asked you if you are crazy. They know. Even Alan you are tweeting was accosted there lol

as jy ** soek sal jy *** ***

[Skubarra]

1 hour ago, DuncanCT said:

This is probably off topic and a whole other thread, but where is PPA in all of this. Not sure how many guys here pay subs but all they seem to do (slight sarcasm here, I'm sure there is lots else done) is hand out wider of the rider sticker once a year around CTCT time.

Where do they engage with the cycling community? Don't think they are present here on the Hub? Do they interface with CoCT?

PPA > About >  "committed to promoting cycling and the interests of cyclists. Recreational cycling (on- and off-road), development through cycling, safe cycling and advocacy are among the PPA’s priorities."

Surely there can be a little more pressure on their side to increase safety, both from a traffic and personal safety?

I think PPA does a lot for cycling safety awareness and advocacy - maybe not as much as you would like but certainly more than handing out stickers once a year.

I would also say there are limits to what they can do, its also up to us to get involved. 

[Roadstorm]

I'll second that.

[Prince Albert Cycles]

6 hours ago, DuncanCT said:

This is probably off topic and a whole other thread, but where is PPA in all of this. Not sure how many guys here pay subs but all they seem to do (slight sarcasm here, I'm sure there is lots else done) is hand out wider of the rider sticker once a year around CTCT time.

Where do they engage with the cycling community? Don't think they are present here on the Hub? Do they interface with CoCT?

PPA > About >  "committed to promoting cycling and the interests of cyclists. Recreational cycling (on- and off-road), development through cycling, safe cycling and advocacy are among the PPA’s priorities."

Surely there can be a little more pressure on their side to increase safety, both from a traffic and personal safety?

EXACTLY 

[MORNE]

5 hours ago, Skubarra said:

I think PPA does a lot for cycling safety awareness and advocacy - maybe not as much as you would like but certainly more than handing out stickers once a year.

I would also say there are limits to what they can do, its also up to us to get involved. 

Sorry, but where? I was a member last year (admittedly only for the discounts on entries)  and other than the odd spam email…i agree with the above post that they don't do much of anything really. I once got a pm from someone high up because of some criticism on here, engaged…and even that never went further than my reply lol. Not that they have to i guess….but own it then. Empty promises are for politics.

edit: compare their usual (non discounted post covid fee) to what a Jonkers or TMC or Winelands or Tokai membership costs for instance then what that fee gets you for you rands. PPA membership basically gets you early CTCt entry by 7 days…arguably unethical better seeding and some empty promises….ok and discount on funrides that happen on the same route 4 times a year I guess. The question you always have to ask is that if they went away tomorrow…would anyone care or really notice?

Edited October 6, 2022 by MORNE

[MORNE]

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Edited October 6, 2022 by MORNE

[Robbie Stewart]

39 minutes ago, MORNE said:

The question you always have to ask is that if they went away tomorrow…would anyone care or really notice?

No.

[Skubarra]

2 hours ago, MORNE said:

Sorry, but where? I was a member last year (admittedly only for the discounts on entries)  and other than the odd spam email…i agree with the above post that they don't do much of anything really. I once got a pm from someone high up because of some criticism on here, engaged…and even that never went further than my reply lol. Not that they have to i guess….but own it then. Empty promises are for politics.

edit: compare their usual (non discounted post covid fee) to what a Jonkers or TMC or Winelands or Tokai membership costs for instance then what that fee gets you for you rands. PPA membership basically gets you early CTCt entry by 7 days…arguably unethical better seeding and some empty promises….ok and discount on funrides that happen on the same route 4 times a year I guess. The question you always have to ask is that if they went away tomorrow…would anyone care or really notice?

I get that PPA is the convenient scapegoat when we need something to lash out at. Maybe we are getting what we paid for, we want PPA to solve all road safety issues on our behalf and throw in a CTCT discount for 200 bucks a year? 

In my personal experience I know they provided a lot of support to a cyclist friend that was robbed & assaulted on his bike a few years back when he made the effort to reach out to them, far more than what our useless police did at the time.

If you have constructive suggestions maybe reach out and chat to them, think you will achieve far more than ranting about them on social media.

[peepeekaitjie]

2 hours ago, Skubarra said:

If you have constructive suggestions

Maybe go and do something about it instead of just whinging. We all have lives and commitments and no time left but maybe, just maybe if we all stop complaining and use that energy to do one small constructive thing, a small difference can be made

 

Reply meant for the long dude. Quoted the wrong message 

Edited October 6, 2022 by peepeekaitjie

[Albatross]

Either move the informal dwellers away from the existing cycle lane OR reroute the cycle lane through  a safer area.