Cape Town danger areas

[mikkelz]

1 hour ago, wolver said:

This has to be the same individuals in the four (?) attempts in the last week right?

Would this be a pointless plan... a group cycling followed by a vehicle shadowing them (the criminals clearly don't care if witnesses are around), if they attempt their attack, occupants of the vehicle shoot them with pepper spray projectiles (eg Byrna, cos you don't want to get too close). Should be able to neutralise them and cuff them. Then call the cops to pick them up. GoPros for the evidence of their crimes and through Bike Hub/Strava we have the details of at least three victims who can lay charges. Should be an open and shut case... or am I having an uncharacteristic moment of optimism? Oh wait... why are we doing the job of the police🤬

 

P.S. re-reading that just made me realise we really are descending into the wild west😔

Anything that we do would be very much the wild west, which is ridiculous in and of itself. But I see no other option (assuming anyone feels it is a fight worth having).

[wolver]

6 minutes ago, mikkelz said:

Anything that we do would be very much the wild west, which is ridiculous in and of itself. But I see no other option (assuming anyone feels it is a fight worth having).

Well complacency certainly isn't going to change anything and I have little faith in the authorities! 

I'm free tomorrow morning🤷‍♂️

[The itch]

1 hour ago, wolver said:

This has to be the same individuals in the four (?) attempts in the last week right?

Would this be a pointless plan... a group cycling followed by a vehicle shadowing them (the criminals clearly don't care if witnesses are around), if they attempt their attack, occupants of the vehicle shoot them with pepper spray projectiles (eg Byrna, cos you don't want to get too close). Should be able to neutralise them and cuff them. Then call the cops to pick them up. GoPros for the evidence of their crimes and through Bike Hub/Strava we have the details of at least three victims who can lay charges. Should be an open and shut case... or am I having an uncharacteristic moment of optimism? Oh wait... why are we doing the job of the police🤬

 

P.S. re-reading that just made me realise we really are descending into the wild west😔

😀i like it, their actions are premeditated i.o.w they have a lookout peering down Marine Drive looking for flashing lights. when sighted 'the ambush party' is alerted. something has to give, those that live there are desperate. if they aren't removed the attacks will continue unless someone or something deters them. i know of a rider who was attacked there late last year. he 'carries' and has been itching to use it. he says about 10 perps jumped him and a friend very early ie 530am during the working week. knocked him off the bike but fled when Dirty Harry emerged.

 

[The Ouzo]

The problem with going vigilante on these perps is that it escalates, and before we know it they are shooting first and asking for your bike later

[ChrisF]

5 hours ago, cadenceblur said:

Alan Winde always carries on about making Cape Town a "cycling city" - be it for commuting or cycling along our coastline etc. - what are they doing about the escalation of these incidents?

We approach the cycle tour with heightened awareness of the sport - would love to have him and perhaps Bellairs come out and share what their plan is..

This is just ridiculous!

 

Mr A Wind-bag .... spewing a lot of hot air ....

 

 

.... nee wat .... net nog n useless politikus 🤦🏻‍♂️

[splat]

35 minutes ago, The Ouzo said:

The problem with going vigilante on these perps is that it escalates, and before we know it they are shooting first and asking for your bike later

Isn't it already like that ?

[wolver]

4 hours ago, The Ouzo said:

The problem with going vigilante on these perps is that it escalates, and before we know it they are shooting first and asking for your bike later

In this case, if they have guns, why are they chucking bricks? 

On the balance of probability, I'd take the chance I think 

[capediver]

18 hours ago, wolver said:

This has to be the same individuals in the four (?) attempts in the last week right?

Would this be a pointless plan... a group cycling followed by a vehicle shadowing them (the criminals clearly don't care if witnesses are around), if they attempt their attack, occupants of the vehicle shoot them with pepper spray projectiles (eg Byrna, cos you don't want to get too close). Should be able to neutralise them and cuff them. Then call the cops to pick them up. GoPros for the evidence of their crimes and through Bike Hub/Strava we have the details of at least three victims who can lay charges. Should be an open and shut case... or am I having an uncharacteristic moment of optimism? Oh wait... why are we doing the job of the police🤬

 

P.S. re-reading that just made me realise we really are descending into the wild west😔

The way things work, you and your well-intentioned gang will be behind bars quicker than the crims you out to catch.

[Andreas_187]

Nobody around at 5:30 or 8:30 this morning 

[Spinnaroonie]

Is there a whatsapp group in already place for riders who are from Blouberg and surrounds? There are so many cyclists from this area who have no other choice but to use the N1 section to get to town/camps/hout bay etc.  Even though these thugs may not fear a group, I would still feel safer linking up with other riders heading in the same direction. 

My suggestion would be to form a WA group where riders simply send a message stating what time they are heading into town, their approximate location and an estimate of the average speed they intend to ride in. Once we get past this hot spot, we can de-couple or whatever. 

I know WA groups are annoying but I would see value in something like this. We need to stick together and create our own solutions to ensure we can continue doing what we love. 

 

[Duane_Bosch]

23 hours ago, wolver said:

Well complacency certainly isn't going to change anything and I have little faith in the authorities! 

I'm free tomorrow morning🤷‍♂️

I've got one of those pepper ball launchers with a bunch of pepper balls I've been itching to use.....

[Robbie Stewart]

23 hours ago, The itch said:

he 'carries' and has been itching to use it.

There is a term for this kind of behaviour. You can refer to it as psychotic, or you can consider it behaviour by someone who is patently stupid. Either way, shooting at someone flinging bricks or pulling people off bicycles is going to be interesting to defend in a criminal court, provided the moron with the gun doesn't get taken out first when he runs out of rounds.

Anyone cycling with a firearm is looking for $h!T

 

[Wynando]

5 hours ago, Andreas_187 said:

Nobody around at 5:30 or 8:30 this morning 

Will be rolling through there around 07:20 / 07:30'ish tomorrow. Will have a few mates, but will be awake and have some pepper ready.

[Duane_Bosch]

2 hours ago, Robbie Stewart said:

Anyone cycling with a firearm is looking for $h!T

As much as it galls me to agree with this point I do. Somewhat.

If you apply the OODA loop to a bikejacking scenario the crim is WELL ahead of you by the time you are even aware of the threat. They've observed, orientated, decided and they are busy acting. It's unlikely that you are going to be able to deploy a firearm in time to ward off the attack. In a home invasion scenario hopefully your alarm is on and your doors are locked which will give you a few seconds to catch up.

Add to that the fact that you can only legally use a firearm in self defense if your LIFE is threatened. Maybe you could argue that having a brick thrown at you is life threatening. I don't know.

Concealment is also an issue. Our law states that you must conceal your firearm. Riding with a firearm with a visible silhouette is probably illegal and could possibly make you a target. Riding with it in a backpack is a waste of time IMO.

 

Edited February 8, 2024 by Duane_Bosch

[Andreas_187]

1 hour ago, Wynando said:

Will be rolling through there around 07:20 / 07:30'ish tomorrow. Will have a few mates, but will be awake and have some pepper ready.

What I meant is that I went in and out of town on my morning ride and didn't see any brick throwers. Same again tomorrow morning 

[babse]

On 2/7/2024 at 8:26 AM, GDG said:

Just FYI..got a notification that it happened AGAIN this morning... during traffic!!

Any of these incidents been reported with SAPS? Will be of great benefit if we could get more than 1 case number for the same location.

Welcome to DM me if I could reach out to said individuals...