rock Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 it Friday.....let's go! so seriously, what does bicarb do you for? and more specifically what can it do for a WT level pro cyclist? Just curious.
Wyatt Earp Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 I love how people question just hoiw much of this crept in to this and how much crept in to that when they actually have no clue as to how much is really needed for a positive test and how the testing procedures actually work. SAIDS are bunch of knobs and even if they contract their tests out, they give instruction what they want tested, the second very debatable part of their operation is that they actually seem to have no clue what to actually test for and what levels are to be adhered to. In short, they have an organisation, they have a job to do, but as in all things in South Africa, their interpretation and understanding of it is where it lacks.They are destroying peoples livelihoods and playing with their future because they are not executing their job properly. Baaisikilist and Underachiever 2
Frosty Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 What puzzles me is why society must always find someone to blame. Use this as an example to improve for the future. SAIDS did their job - they found something illegal in Daryl's pee and followed due course.Could it have been done quicker that it took? Who knows, all the facts are not known - blaming the lab for taking their time because an employee passed away is just adding to the problem. Daryl is unfortunately in a sport with a history of doping, so being slung through the mud is always going to be a part of being in the sport. It's going to take a long time before society is convinced that doping no longer exists. Why should the pharmacist be blamed? He is human and made a mistake - albeit a small one with big repercussions on someone else's life. JA-Q001 1
rouxtjie Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Man, I just don't know what to believe anymore... First thought is, lekker, Daryl's clean! SA's reputation is back intact etc - Happy Days Then, I'm again reminded of Cycling's history, and the current South African "way" of getting things done - money, corruption, bribery.As per the statement, this has cost Daryl a fortune - $$$$?How much is the overturning of this decision worth to Daryl? My guess $5mil+What are the odds on a pro being handed gelatin capsules by a pharmacist who has just handled probenecid?What international pro is taking bicarb in gelatin capsules for a race with all the wonder nutrition available these days How hard is it to fudge a till slip? Backdate a register on a rickety old pharmacy till?How much to buy out a junior pharmacist to take the fall?Why is the animosity in the press release aimed at SAIDS for taking their time (in doing their job correctly) over the pharmacist who gave a professional athlete a contaminated product??? Yip, I'm a sceptic, but the sport has made me so Would be keen to discuss this like a grown up, but the trolls are welcome to sling some mud my way too Rouxtjie, I'll need that flame suit when you doneThey are having their annual sale....check it http://www.dupont.com/products-and-services/personal-protective-equipment/thermal-protective/uses-and-applications/fire-protection.html You make excellent points Andrew... Smurfy, Andrew Steer, Wez-O and 1 other 4
rouxtjie Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Yours must be moertoe by now pal... you've had a long week Yea between the 1000 post thing and BS I am covering my wickets left right and center. I just dont buy the story, but like I said chucks, the scoreboard says he isn't guilty, just as the scoreboard says BS is...Its their(SAIDS) mandate.
HdB Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) SAIDS initially pointed to the death of a technician at the contracted lab as part of the reason for the delay. But now it sounds like there was an additional 7 week delay?If that is the case, they should, and probably will, be in trouble for it, as it clearly cost Impey a lot of financial loss and stress.The passing of the lab technician is the truth, sadly - I knew him well. As for the amounts that might be needed, and if enough could have transferred from the pharmacist's hands to the capsules, I've read that certain hair-loss products for men should not be handled at all by pregnant women, as enough can seep through their skin to cause birth defects? Not sure if that is true or not.And some vitamins and minerals in multivitamin supplements are measured in micrograms, and is still enough to have an effect, so trace amounts of probenicid could probably also have an effect, and thus be detected? Anyway, I'm glad he has been cleared, and I really hope that they aren't lying about the contamination. Edited August 29, 2014 by HdB
Ferret69 Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Man, I just don't know what to believe anymore... First thought is, lekker, Daryl's clean! SA's reputation is back intact etc - Happy Days Then, I'm again reminded of Cycling's history, and the current South African "way" of getting things done - money, corruption, bribery.As per the statement, this has cost Daryl a fortune - $$$$?How much is the overturning of this decision worth to Daryl? My guess $5mil+What are the odds on a pro being handed gelatin capsules by a pharmacist who has just handled probenecid?What international pro is taking bicarb in gelatin capsules for a race with all the wonder nutrition available these days How hard is it to fudge a till slip? Backdate a register on a rickety old pharmacy till?How much to buy out a junior pharmacist to take the fall?Why is the animosity in the press release aimed at SAIDS for taking their time (in doing their job correctly) over the pharmacist who gave a professional athlete a contaminated product??? Yip, I'm a sceptic, but the sport has made me so Would be keen to discuss this like a grown up, but the trolls are welcome to sling some mud my way too Rouxtjie, I'll need that flame suit when you done While I would absolutely love not be a sceptic, we all know thehub swings on 2 sides of a coin. All the points above are valid but will never get answered. The Outcome is DI is cleared. The due process that took place is probably something to be in an autobiography one day... For now, Lets let the man do what he does best and Ride his Bicycle... Ps where can I get some of this Bicarb sh1te.... If the pro's are taking it its gotta be great Edited August 29, 2014 by Ferret69 Andrew Steer 1
Wez-O Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 look i know we all are Impey fans and truth can be stranger than fiction - but consider how much probenicid the pharmacist had on his hands , how much of that transferred to the capsules, they are put in a container , transported , opened ,filled, maybe transported again in a container eventualy taken and there still is enough to lead to a detectable blood level - that is hard to believe. go and ask any pharmacist when was the last time he had dispensed probenicid bet you the younger ones would say never. add to this the coincidence that this particular pharmacist was working with a drug that is hardly prescibed anymore at the moment that a professional cyclist requires his services. use ockham's razor.What!!! Are you implying that South Africa's golden boy would dare dope?
RocknRolla Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 What puzzles me is why society must always find someone to blame. Use this as an example to improve for the future. SAIDS did their job - they found something illegal in Daryl's pee and followed due course.Could it have been done quicker that it took? Who knows, all the facts are not known - blaming the lab for taking their time because an employee passed away is just adding to the problem. Daryl is unfortunately in a sport with a history of doping, so being slung through the mud is always going to be a part of being in the sport. It's going to take a long time before society is convinced that doping no longer exists. Why should the pharmacist be blamed? He is human and made a mistake - albeit a small one with big repercussions on someone else's life. You perceive it as blame, I perceive it as accountability. There should be a bigger onus on accountability higher up in the foodchain in this country - but that's another matter. The results are out. Impey has been cleared from intentionally taking a masking agent. As for the validity of the events - it's up to the pharmasist to come clean about weather or not he has been "convinced" to take the fall. Personally it's neither here nor there for me.I dont put a hell of a lot of emotion into sports. There are no heroes for me, jusyt people riding their bicycles on TV. SwissVan 1
Eldron Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Before I need the Rouxsters burnt out flame suit - I'm not judging here - just a wandering mind. Exactly how impressive are these tests that they can find trace amounts of drugs. Say the chemist had maybe 0.01g on his hands - Daryl weighs 70kg? That's 0.01g in 70,000g 1 in 7,000,000 or 1 part per million by weight. Damn! I wonder at what level Probenicid becomes active in masking other drugs? I could probably Google all of this but we have a trillion legal/medical/pharmaceutical experts on thehub so I'll leave it to you guys :-) rouxtjie, nonky, Mousea and 3 others 6
BDF Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Cleared!August 29, 2014 Supplied by Daryl Impey from Daryl Impey Happy to confirm that I can get back to racingOn Thursday 28th August 2014, I finally got the chance to prove my case against the allegation: That I had committed an anti-doping violation for a diuretic called Probenecid. Whilst I never disputed the lab results and the finding, I was put in a very tough position of defending my case due to strict liability. That being said, and after already having to go back 5 months to try find out how this could have happened, I finally was able to prove that this was a case of cross-contamination and I was also cleared of any fault or negligence on my part. It has been definitely the hardest two months of my life, it has been a huge financial loss and has been tough on my whole family. But I was determined to show that I am clean and that I would never cheat to try get an advantage over my competitors. I am so relieved that this has now been proven. While I can now put this behind me and move on, I would like to thank my wife, my family, my team ORICA-GreenEDGE, friends and fans who sent me such kind messages during this tough time and I am thrilled that I could prove my innocence for all of you who stood by me. I would also like to thank my legal team Christopher Kok (Webber Wentzel), Ivan Miltz, Justin Bitter, Mike Morgan (Morgan Sports Law) and Chris Hattingh for their amazing help in resolving the matter.Amazing have Daryl back in the saddle - racing.
RocknRolla Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Ps where can I get some of this Bicarb sh1te.... If the pro's are taking it its gotta be great it makes you lighter, because it has carbon in it..... rouxtjie, nonky and Mellow 3
rouxtjie Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 While I would absolutely love not be a sceptic, we all know thehub swings on 2 sides of a coin. All the points above are valid but will never get answered. The Outcome is DI is cleared. The due process that took place is probably something to be in an autobiography one day... For now, Lets let the man do what he does best and Ride his Bicycle... Ps where can I get some of this Bicarb sh1te.... If the pro's are taking it its gotta be great Easy one....bicarb of soda from your friendly checkers...or you can buy it at 1000% times the price from your local dischem although it will come in a nice container with a flashly label saying like RaceExtremePumpV02TooLegitToQuit VeloRacer 1
SwissVan Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 it Friday.....let's go! so seriously, what does bicarb do you for? and more specifically what can it do for a WT level pro cyclist? Just curious. Its an old trick to combat / delay the negative effects of lactic acid.
Joe! Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 yeah, great news. hope he sues SAIDS for damages ChUkKy 1
Ferret69 Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Easy one....bicarb of soda from your friendly checkers...or you can buy it at 1000% times the price from your local dischem although it will come in a nice container with a flashly label saying like RaceExtremePumpV02TooLegitToQuit Or I can just buy my own Gelatine Capsules and make it myself..... I just need to find a trustworthy Pharmacist
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