Spinnekop Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 You find that it's mostly vets with racing licenses?Jip.No need to test the funriders. Personally I think even testing licensed Vets is a waste of money (R3000 per test if I remember?)If you catch a guy cheating on his home budget......Hahahahhahaha. Dumb ass. If you catch an accountant cheating the co. books.....bad boy.....jail time....worth the audit cost If a doctor gives himself the wrong medicine....dumbass......might get killed.If a doctor gives his patients wrong medicine.......bad boy. You get the picture. Personally I would take away all Vets prizes. Give them a bunch to race in. Stroke the egos and have some fun to see who can kill who on the road. But put the investment into the profession and focus on the racing Elite and U/23. Rather spend budget on THEM and get them all on the blood passport program and test regularly and get them on the right path in order for the sport as a profession to grow and also get clean / stay clean. But that is just me..... RockHound, HdB, Barend de Arend and 8 others 11
KABOUS Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 They need to make doping a criminal offense as it is in Italy- Remember the police arresting Festina at the TDF in 19?? Ken now just sits back and says he is retired. IT IS FRAUD !How many guys has he ridden out of a possible sponsorship? How much money did he earn as a pro cyclist. If he could be charged with fraud it would be a different ball game ChunkyMonkey 1
jcza Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Amazing that doping only happens at this level and that at World Tour level guys are riding and winning clean isn't? Edited January 20, 2016 by jcza intern, Brickleberry and karma 3
Edgar Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 DO we test the overseas people that train in the country SAIDS can only test foreign athletes out of competition if their federation has given SAIDS permission to do so. WADA can test any athlete registered to a National Federation at any point. SAIDS can test who ever they like in competition, but according to CSA that is actually only when you are on your bike. Jules and Baaisikilist 2
T-Bob Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 And David Millar cam out yesterday to say "This is the greatest ever generation of Grand Tour riders”I get he's an advocate for anti doping but he's not exactly the cheers squad that I'd want giving me props. BigDL 1
Jules Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Vets gets tested almost every race. I have been tested a couple of times. Spidey, you and I must be doing different races. I've been racing sub-vets for five years. Been on the podium multiple times, even at SA champs, and I've only ever been tested once - at 94.7 one year. And that was just urine. So I think a vet who wanted to blood dope could do it without any fear of getting popped. But I agree with you; the money is better spent on testing the elites and u23. Andrew Steer and scotty 2
Edgar Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 The timeline seems to be an issue and keeps getting referred to, so here's a go at it...feel free to add to it, take away from it, draw pictures of your mom on it... 2010 - “diagnosed with empyema and had repeated episodes of intra-abdominal sepsis due to an appendectomy performed at the end of 2010”. MTN #2 Barberton Ultra Marathon 29 Jan 2011 5 1.67 October 2012 - undergoes operation to drain and remove an abscess in his abdomen. MTN XCM #8 Ride Crater Cruise Ultra Marathon 13 Oct 2012 1 0 Edit - will slip this in: November 2012, DG tests positive for EPO...after biological passport anomalies were detected, gets two-year ban December 2012 - Evans second appendectomy, further abdominal surgery. MTN XCM #1 Barberton driven by Nissan MTN XCM #1 Barberton driven... Generic 110km 26 Jan 2013 14 1.67 February 2013 - similar procedure to drain another abscess The Herals VW Cycle Tour Generic 80km 02 Feb 2013 8 1.67 September 2013 - emergency tracheotomy surgery due to an abscess bursting through his diaphragm into the lung, resulting in 10 days in Intensive Care (ICU) with a cardio thoracic surgeon. September 13th and 19th - two blood transfusions in ICU in order to keep him alive. Quacks says he needs ozone Sept 2013 - KE listed in results for PE2Plett - Pe 2 Plett was between the 14th till the 17th in 2013? PE to Plett MTB Generic Stage Race 373km 14 Sep 2013 21, 4, 3, 9 2.92 Tested a mere two weeks out of ICU, hence high values... Unclear exactly when it started, how long it lasted, etc: “I underwent Ozone therapy, having applied for a TUE but it was denied. I went ahead..." Sani2C Race Generic Stage Race 265km 14 May 2015 10, 6, 10 3.79 Old Mutual JoBerg2c Old Mutual JoBerg2c Generic Stage Race 819km 24 Apr 2015 232, 290, 98, 88 5.01Absa Cape EPIC Absa Cape EPIC Generic Stage Race 748km 15 Mar 2015 28, 26, 22, 37, 69, 49, 95, 35 3.45Garden Route 300 Garden Route 300 Generic Stage Race 505km 27 Feb 2015 1, 6, 8 1.79Ashburton Investments National MTB Series #2 - Sabie Ashburton Investments... Ultra 21 Feb 2015 8 1.79Momentum Health DualX #4 - Van Gaalen Momentum Health DualX #4 -... Full 23 Oct 2014 5 53.56 ISUZU 3 Towers Stage RACE ISUZU 3 Towers Stage RACE Generic Stage Race 193km 03 Oct 2014 16, 38, 28 0.01Karoo2Coast Karoo2Coast Generic 100km 21 Sep 2014 3 0.01MTN XCM #8 Crater Cruise Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #8 Crater Cruise... Ultra 13 Sep 2014 2 0.01 UCI MTB Marathon World Champs - Rainbow Challenge UCI MTB Marathon World... Elite Men 27 Jun 2014 27 0.1MTN XCM #7 Hilton Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #7 Hilton Driven by... Ultra 22 Jun 2014 7 0.1MTN XCM #6 Van Gaalen Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #6 Van Gaalen... Ultra 14 Jun 2014 3 0.1 MTN XCM #5 Rooiberg Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #5 Rooiberg Driven... Ultra 24 May 2014 3 0.71Sani2C Race Sani2C Race Generic Stage Race 265km 15 May 2014 2, 2, 11 0.71 Old Mutual JoBerg2c Old Mutual JoBerg2c Generic Stage Race 787km 25 Apr 2014 5, 12, 5, 6, 22, 6, 10, 1 3.32Absa Cape EPIC Absa Cape EPIC Generic Stage Race 694km 23 Mar 2014 7, 15, 12, 16, 97, 40, 38, 15 3.32 MTN XCM #2 Sabie Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #2 Sabie Driven by... Ultra 22 Feb 2014 3 5.33 Bridgestone Route 66 MTB Experience Bridgestone Route 66 MTB... Generic Stage Race 205km 14 Feb 2014 1, 1, 1 6.66MTN XCM #1 Dullstroom Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #1 Dullstroom... Ultra 08 Feb 2014 11 6.66The Herald Cycle Tour MTB The Herald Cycle Tour MTB Generic 80km 01 Feb 2014 4 6.66Attakwas Attakwas Generic 121km 18 Jan 2014 7 6.66 *2014 and 2015 - accused of “doping after identifying serious irregularities in his Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) – a profile of the athlete’s blood parameters”."suspicious readings were identified over a period of time therefore the athlete’s results extending back to 14 March 2014 will be recommended to Cycling SA for disqualification. He will be banned from sport for four years as of 4 March 2015." 2016 - the announcement... *SAIDS is rather vague about when exactly Evans was actually charged, or informed, or whatever... Tumbleweed, DJR, intern and 7 others 10
BarHugger Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) The beauty in these threads is the self righteous hypocrisy.Some act as if they are the finest genetic specimens and will never circumstances to illness.Then there are those who hero worship. Their idols never dope nor their anti hero's all dope lol What great entertainmentI am afraid you still have the cat by the hairy balls.....Sauser is not a hero of mine at all....but if it that makes you happy...have at it Oh and GLuvs said it so well Edited January 20, 2016 by BarHugger
lerouc Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Nope.. only cycling names and shames.. the press is only interested in the cycling doping. .not at all interested in making a fuss about doping in RUGBY. . Never.. how could they possibly shine a light on the doping in not just high level rugby..but schools rugby. So the skinder is that of the players in a 23 man high school first team squad if they had to be bust only 4 wouldn't serve bans.. I wish I knew more and not just skinder. . Cause I swear if i actually knew more I would most def give details to anti doping.. Maybe it should become my mission lol I remember a while ago (maybe a couple of years) there was issues around school boy rugby and doping. I heard (unconfirmed) its the institutions that was giving the kids the stuff to get better. Some of these stories came out of good schools where the parents have a lot of money to put the kids in so a few grand a month isn't a big expense, whether the parents know about it or now. Chili boy (blou bulle) was banned a while ago for using a pre workout (i think it was the earlier versions of jack 3d can't remember) with banned stuff in it and he was kicked out of rugby for a while. Found an article.http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Chiliboy-handed-two-year-doping-ban-20150907 So no, its not just cycling, its just because you are interested in cycling that you read more about it. intern, Gen and Bat 3
raptor-22 Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 ... and some sit behind their keyboards and judge those who have opinions about the topic at hand... we are all lovely people... I have noticed that is what you do best yes GLuvsMtb 1
Guest notmyname Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 All right. Let's keep the fight for those pesky cheats, dealers and spin doctor's. BDF 1
Skubarra Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 I have noticed that is what you do best yes Not sure what you are getting at raptor? Bikehub threads would be pretty stale without opinions and people being judgmental? If it annoys you you can always stick to the classifieds? GLuvsMtb, NelAndre and BarHugger 3
GLuvsMtb Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Not sure what you are getting at raptor? Bikehub threads would be pretty stale without opinions and people being judgmental? If it annoys you you can always stick to the classifieds? Even the classifieds are annoying, and its not so much opinion that is annoying, but opinion that differs from your own that is annoying (or did I miss something?).
jimmycool Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 The timeline seems to be an issue and keeps getting referred to, so here's a go at it...feel free to add to it, take away from it, draw pictures of your mom on it... 2010 - “diagnosed with empyema and had repeated episodes of intra-abdominal sepsis due to an appendectomy performed at the end of 2010”. MTN #2 Barberton Ultra Marathon 29 Jan 2011 5 1.67 October 2012 - undergoes operation to drain and remove an abscess in his abdomen. MTN XCM #8 Ride Crater Cruise Ultra Marathon 13 Oct 2012 1 0 Edit - will slip this in: November 2012, DG tests positive for EPO...after biological passport anomalies were detected, gets two-year ban December 2012 - Evans second appendectomy, further abdominal surgery. MTN XCM #1 Barberton driven by Nissan MTN XCM #1 Barberton driven... Generic 110km 26 Jan 2013 14 1.67 February 2013 - similar procedure to drain another abscess The Herals VW Cycle Tour Generic 80km 02 Feb 2013 8 1.67 September 2013 - emergency tracheotomy surgery due to an abscess bursting through his diaphragm into the lung, resulting in 10 days in Intensive Care (ICU) with a cardio thoracic surgeon. September 13th and 19th - two blood transfusions in ICU in order to keep him alive. Quacks says he needs ozone Sept 2013 - KE listed in results for PE2Plett - Pe 2 Plett was between the 14th till the 17th in 2013? PE to Plett MTB Generic Stage Race 373km 14 Sep 2013 21, 4, 3, 9 2.92 Tested a mere two weeks out of ICU, hence high values... Unclear exactly when it started, how long it lasted, etc: “I underwent Ozone therapy, having applied for a TUE but it was denied. I went ahead..." Sani2C Race Generic Stage Race 265km 14 May 2015 10, 6, 10 3.79 Old Mutual JoBerg2c Old Mutual JoBerg2c Generic Stage Race 819km 24 Apr 2015 232, 290, 98, 88 5.01Absa Cape EPIC Absa Cape EPIC Generic Stage Race 748km 15 Mar 2015 28, 26, 22, 37, 69, 49, 95, 35 3.45Garden Route 300 Garden Route 300 Generic Stage Race 505km 27 Feb 2015 1, 6, 8 1.79Ashburton Investments National MTB Series #2 - Sabie Ashburton Investments... Ultra 21 Feb 2015 8 1.79Momentum Health DualX #4 - Van Gaalen Momentum Health DualX #4 -... Full 23 Oct 2014 5 53.56 ISUZU 3 Towers Stage RACE ISUZU 3 Towers Stage RACE Generic Stage Race 193km 03 Oct 2014 16, 38, 28 0.01Karoo2Coast Karoo2Coast Generic 100km 21 Sep 2014 3 0.01MTN XCM #8 Crater Cruise Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #8 Crater Cruise... Ultra 13 Sep 2014 2 0.01 UCI MTB Marathon World Champs - Rainbow Challenge UCI MTB Marathon World... Elite Men 27 Jun 2014 27 0.1MTN XCM #7 Hilton Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #7 Hilton Driven by... Ultra 22 Jun 2014 7 0.1MTN XCM #6 Van Gaalen Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #6 Van Gaalen... Ultra 14 Jun 2014 3 0.1 MTN XCM #5 Rooiberg Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #5 Rooiberg Driven... Ultra 24 May 2014 3 0.71Sani2C Race Sani2C Race Generic Stage Race 265km 15 May 2014 2, 2, 11 0.71 Old Mutual JoBerg2c Old Mutual JoBerg2c Generic Stage Race 787km 25 Apr 2014 5, 12, 5, 6, 22, 6, 10, 1 3.32Absa Cape EPIC Absa Cape EPIC Generic Stage Race 694km 23 Mar 2014 7, 15, 12, 16, 97, 40, 38, 15 3.32 MTN XCM #2 Sabie Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #2 Sabie Driven by... Ultra 22 Feb 2014 3 5.33 Bridgestone Route 66 MTB Experience Bridgestone Route 66 MTB... Generic Stage Race 205km 14 Feb 2014 1, 1, 1 6.66MTN XCM #1 Dullstroom Driven by Nissan MTN XCM #1 Dullstroom... Ultra 08 Feb 2014 11 6.66The Herald Cycle Tour MTB The Herald Cycle Tour MTB Generic 80km 01 Feb 2014 4 6.66Attakwas Attakwas Generic 121km 18 Jan 2014 7 6.66 *2014 and 2015 - accused of “doping after identifying serious irregularities in his Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) – a profile of the athlete’s blood parameters”."suspicious readings were identified over a period of time therefore the athlete’s results extending back to 14 March 2014 will be recommended to Cycling SA for disqualification. He will be banned from sport for four years as of 4 March 2015." 2016 - the announcement... *SAIDS is rather vague about when exactly Evans was actually charged, or informed, or whatever...Interesting.....
raptor-22 Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Not sure what you are getting at raptor? Bikehub threads would be pretty stale without opinions and people being judgmental? If it annoys you you can always stick to the classifieds? Not annoying me at all. Its just interesting how hypocritical people are willing to be just to say something. Its an interesting behavior isn't it.
Skubarra Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Not annoying me at all. Its just interesting how hypocritical people are willing to be just to say something. Its an interesting behavior isn't it. Some might disagree. There have been over 30,000 hits on this thread, not bad for a thread filled with hypocritical people and uninteresting behavior. intern, VicanZA, BarHugger and 1 other 4
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