Dopers suck

[mecheng89]

https://www.eurodressage.com/2024/06/13/fei-tribunal-suspends-agusti-elias-four-years-after-double-positive-doping-test

[peepeekaitjie]

The sweet sweet irony

EF has terminated the contract of Andrea Piccolo (suspected of transporting human growth hormone)

https://x.com/EFprocycling/status/1804265344703565915

 

[DieselnDust]

1 hour ago, peepeekaitjie said:

The sweet sweet irony

EF has terminated the contract of Andrea Piccolo (suspected of transporting human growth hormone)

https://x.com/EFprocycling/status/1804265344703565915

 

Vaughters 

[peepeekaitjie]

3 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

Vaughters

The irony of a rider called Piccolo trafficking growth hormones is just 🤌

[Danger Dassie]

https://escapecollective.com/ef-fires-andrea-piccolo-after-rider-reportedly-caught-with-hgh/ 

[Headshot]

These lower level teams need to chat to the big boys so "their larger doping regimens" don't get messed up like this. EF need a new drug mule now. 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2024 by Headshot

[DieselnDust]

I was watching the Netflix Tour de France season 2 last night. The episode where vinegar took 98sec out of Pogi really sparked alarm bells, coupled to the next day where he took a further 6 min on Pogi.  Not just that but the way he romped away really reeked of 1999….

if he’s anywhere near a GC contender this yea after a punctured lung militant fans are going to be pouting more than urine on riders. The series has done a good job of reawakening what might have been forgotten….

[Irvin85]

21 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

I was watching the Netflix Tour de France season 2 last night. The episode where vinegar took 98sec out of Pogi really sparked alarm bells, coupled to the next day where he took a further 6 min on Pogi.  Not just that but the way he romped away really reeked of 1999….

if he’s anywhere near a GC contender this yea after a punctured lung militant fans are going to be pouting more than urine on riders. The series has done a good job of reawakening what might have been forgotten….

This year will be interesting, I cannot think that any human is able to recover that fast from a punctured lung and spending 11 days in hospital to riding the tour, never mind being competitive.

I honestly think the peloton is as dirty as it was in 1999, they are just getting so much better at masking it.    

 

[peepeekaitjie]

[NGM]

12 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

I was watching the Netflix Tour de France season 2 last night. The episode where vinegar took 98sec out of Pogi really sparked alarm bells, coupled to the next day where he took a further 6 min on Pogi.  Not just that but the way he romped away really reeked of 1999….

if he’s anywhere near a GC contender this yea after a punctured lung militant fans are going to be pouting more than urine on riders. The series has done a good job of reawakening what might have been forgotten….

That pogacar lost 6 minutes to Vingegaard the day after the TT doesn't mean all that much (to me). Heck, David Gaudu beat him by 5:30 minutes that day. It was just a bad day. Pogacar came 22nd.

However the time trial in isolation is eyebrow raising stuff because of how much better Vingegaard was than everyone else. That you can't blame on a bad day; the entire rest of the peloton didn't have a bad day.

But we mustn't forget that this raised eyebrows too:

https://www.bicycling.com/tour-de-france/a34252569/tadej-pogacar-tour-de-france-win-unfair-doubt/

On the TT that day, Pogacar kept pace with Dumuolin (who had been world TT champ 2 years earlier and was the best TT rider in the peloton that year) on the flat part of the stage and then rode the fastest recorded time up the Planche Des Belles climb.

Jonas did drop Tadej on ventoux in his first ever TdF where he started as a domestique, and has consistently been a stronger rider than tadej after multiple days in the mountains. And, he was taking insane risks on the downhill parts of the TT in question (2023), and put time into Tadej there too. And the bike change may have been a mistake from Pogi. I'm not defending Vingegaard. I'm just saying its not totally unprecedented. Personally I think Pogacar is the best overall rider but vingegaard is slightly better suited to 3 weeks of racing.

As for doping, I wonder what products are being taken now that may be banned in several years time?

[Shebeen]

21 minutes ago, NickGM said:

That pogacar lost 6 minutes to Vingegaard the day after the TT doesn't mean all that much (to me). Heck, David Gaudu beat him by 5:30 minutes that day. It was just a bad day. Pogacar came 22nd.

However the time trial in isolation is eyebrow raising stuff because of how much better Vingegaard was than everyone else. That you can't blame on a bad day; the entire rest of the peloton didn't have a bad day.

But we mustn't forget that this raised eyebrows too:

https://www.bicycling.com/tour-de-france/a34252569/tadej-pogacar-tour-de-france-win-unfair-doubt/

On the TT that day, Pogacar kept pace with Dumuolin (who had been world TT champ 2 years earlier and was the best TT rider in the peloton that year) on the flat part of the stage and then rode the fastest recorded time up the Planche Des Belles climb.

Jonas did drop Tadej on ventoux in his first ever TdF where he started as a domestique, and has consistently been a stronger rider than tadej after multiple days in the mountains. And, he was taking insane risks on the downhill parts of the TT in question (2023), and put time into Tadej there too. And the bike change may have been a mistake from Pogi. I'm not defending Vingegaard. I'm just saying its not totally unprecedented. Personally I think Pogacar is the best overall rider but vingegaard is slightly better suited to 3 weeks of racing.

As for doping, I wonder what products are being taken now that may be banned in several years time?

agreed.

Pog races hard all spring.

Jonas targets the tour, and only the tour.

 

I smelt no rats to see Pog fatiguing late in the '23 TdF compared to Jonas. They were on different performance arcs, and it proved nothing.

 

 

[DieselnDust]

Let’s see how it plays out.

2023 was a difficult prep for Pogi thanks to the broken wrist. He couldn’t train on the bike for a good few weeks. Vingegaard had a perfect prep. Different “peaking trajectory” could certainly explain the difference to Pogi but wiping the floor with Wout raised more than a few eyebrows. Marc Madiot “said” out perfectly by saying nothing at all other than , the truth will come out. In the meantime it’s going to create a lot of intrigue over the next week till we hit the first mountain stage on the etape quatre.

@NickGM the outcome of the TT to La Planche des Belles Filles one could almost predict because Jumbo spent 3 weeks pulling Pogacar around France. He just sat with Roglic the whole way and responded to attacks or took advantage on the flats through clever bunch positioning to use the cross wind induced breaks. The longer Pogacar hung onto Roglic the more vulnerable Roglic looked and it played out that way. We didn’t have another stage the next day to check whether Pogacar would crack since it was a processional stage into Paris. The Vingegaard third week was something else completely. Perfectly timed peaking, lower fatigue or maybe Le Mond’s hypothesis ..?

[Jewbacca]

These big teams are likely farming babies and harvesting stem cells for massive stem cell infusions and other things so far beyond 'doping' with traceable drugs and foreign agents.

Seriously, think way beyond what you get told at the Dr when you break your collar bone. People are currently re-growing teeth. TEETH. The things that don't even heal themselves with much efficiency.

 

[PygaSchmyga]

13 hours ago, Jewbacca said:

These big teams are likely farming babies and harvesting stem cells for massive stem cell infusions and other things so far beyond 'doping' with traceable drugs and foreign agents.

Seriously, think way beyond what you get told at the Dr when you break your collar bone. People are currently re-growing teeth. TEETH. The things that don't even heal themselves with much efficiency.

 

that escalated quickly

[Jewbacca]

38 minutes ago, PygaSchmyga said:

that escalated quickly

It just astounds me how people see the advancements in medicine, stem cell research, gene splicing, re-connecting spinal chord injuries, growing teeth, manufacturing ligaments and tendons etc but still think performance enhancing is injecting prehistoric drugs, testosterone etc that falls under scrutiny in even the most basic of tests.

Things have moved on 

 

Edited June 25, 2024 by Jewbacca

[Headshot]

19 hours ago, DieselnDust said:

I was watching the Netflix Tour de France season 2 last night. The episode where vinegar took 98sec out of Pogi really sparked alarm bells, coupled to the next day where he took a further 6 min on Pogi.  Not just that but the way he romped away really reeked of 1999….

if he’s anywhere near a GC contender this yea after a punctured lung militant fans are going to be pouting more than urine on riders. The series has done a good job of reawakening what might have been forgotten….

Yeah, they even asked the question " ya thinks he's doping" 

From what I've learned from that show and the YouTube channel above, cheating or at best seeking gains by whatever means possible is just ingrained in cycling culture. Look at how the hair doping team go about riding other people off the road in sprints. Crazy.